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To think that 5/6 year old little girls don’t need to wear shorts under dresses to “protect their modesty”

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Darthwazette · 13/06/2023 11:08

Just what the subject like says really. I’d be interested to know other parents thoughts. I’m not a weirdo, this request has been made of my daughters from school and it makes me feel a bit icky.

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bendmeoverbackwards · 13/06/2023 19:14

@VasariMichelangelo oh come on! You know there is a huge difference between going out for the day in your bra and knickers, and a bit of underwear being on show for a split second

Newnamenewname109870 · 13/06/2023 19:14

WeeWillyWinkie9 · 13/06/2023 19:01

Completely agree, we should be dealing with the boys who are looking and commenting and changing their behaviour. The girls are covered up by their knickers. We don't make them wear 2 costumes at the pool in case someone sees their first layer of clothing so why now.

Again, would it be ok for a boy to have his knickers out? Pants are private. That’s what we teach them.

SparklingMarkling · 13/06/2023 19:16

You’re overthinking it. They’ll do handstands and cartwheels, so displaying their underwear to the playground isn’t appropriate.

SparklingMarkling · 13/06/2023 19:18

@Newnamenewname109870

Exactly. We teach them underwear is private.

Whitewolf2 · 13/06/2023 19:20

My dds (5 and 7) ask to wear the summer dresses plus cycling shorts and it makes sense as they are constantly doing gymnastics, climbing trees, they’re more comfortable so what’s not to like.

bendmeoverbackwards · 13/06/2023 19:25

People are getting the PANTS rule mixed up. We teach children that their private area is private, not their pants.

bendmeoverbackwards · 13/06/2023 19:27

I wear dresses a lot (long and short), it’s never occurred to me to wear shorts underneath. I’m pretty sure I’ve never exposed my underwear, if it’s a bit windy I’ll just hold my dress down.

To those who are getting het up by knickers being on show (for only a split second) what about all the bra straps on show in recent years? Why is that ok?

Nothingisblackandwhite · 13/06/2023 19:30

Can we please stop using the term “teaching modesty to girls “ you are literally teaching your daughters to be less and draw less attention than others specially boys . Because telling them to nit be noticed in todays world is everything that a girl doesn’t need !

To think that 5/6 year old little girls don’t need to wear shorts under dresses to “protect their modesty”
Nothingisblackandwhite · 13/06/2023 19:31

Newnamenewname109870 · 13/06/2023 19:14

Again, would it be ok for a boy to have his knickers out? Pants are private. That’s what we teach them.

Yes it would , would you really tell a boy off for showing his boxers a few seconds ?

Fairislefandango · 13/06/2023 19:31

Is it ok for boys' pants to be showing in school? No.
Is it ok for teachers' pants to be showing in school? No.
So why are some people so keen to allow girls' pants to be showing? And no, it's not necessarily 'for a split second' if they are sitting cross-legged.

SparklingMarkling · 13/06/2023 19:31

@bendmeoverbackwards

Suit yourself but I teach mine that their privates AND their pants are private. Common sense really and people are being ridiculously pedantic on this thread.

CurlewKate · 13/06/2023 19:32

@Kanaloa "It’s nothing to do with conditioning. I’m saying that it isn’t sex based."
If it's not sex based, why all the talk about paedophiles? Why use language like "flash" and "show off"? If it's not sex based-why is it even a thing? What's the issue about a glimpse of a 5 year old's pants?

Kpo58 · 13/06/2023 19:33

I would have thought that shorts under a skirt/dress would be good for hygiene reasons if pants don't stay put very well.

Nothingisblackandwhite · 13/06/2023 19:34

CurlewKate · 13/06/2023 18:40

"It teaches little girls to change their behaviour to stop boys from looking at them and commenting on their body. Start of victim blaming attitudes."

This. So does calling it "flashing" or "showing off" their underwear.

This . It’s just misogyny at its best

SparklingMarkling · 13/06/2023 19:34

@CurlewKate

My kids school faces a row of adjacent houses within a built up area. She is forever cartwheeling and no I don’t want the local peado getting a cheap thrill so summer shorts it is. Anyway she much prefers them to a skirt so win win. This thread is very silly, perhaps the wording was wrong but no one wants to see anyone else’s pants. Male, female, child, adult etc.

SparklingMarkling · 13/06/2023 19:35

@Nothingisblackandwhite

oh dear……

CurlewKate · 13/06/2023 19:38

@SparklingMarkling I hate to tell you this- but "the local paedo" doesn't mind what little girls are wearing.

Kanaloa · 13/06/2023 19:41

CurlewKate · 13/06/2023 19:32

@Kanaloa "It’s nothing to do with conditioning. I’m saying that it isn’t sex based."
If it's not sex based, why all the talk about paedophiles? Why use language like "flash" and "show off"? If it's not sex based-why is it even a thing? What's the issue about a glimpse of a 5 year old's pants?

It seems you’re confused. By ‘sex based’ I meant relating to a child’s sex, ie whether that child is male or female.

The issue (for me) is that a child’s pants shouldn’t be ‘glimpsed.’ If they show by accident, that’s just life, it happens. But I wouldn’t put any of my kids, male or female, in clothing that did not cover their underpants, because I don’t want their underwear to show.

MumofSpud · 13/06/2023 19:43

Years ago when DD was about 7 I posted about sending DD to school with shorts under her dress as she was forever doing handstands / cartwheels etc

I was told off by the school as it wasn't part of the uniform - this would have been 2012 ish

Well the slating I got on MN when I posted if I was being unreasonable or not!

Today as a teacher a 12 year old girl sat opposite me and I had to tell her how to sit Blush

bighair32 · 13/06/2023 19:44

Not a modesty issue but my daughter asked for cycling shorts as they all like to do gymnastics at lunch time and she didn't want anyone to see her pants. She is year 3.

Tandora · 13/06/2023 19:48

This is so messed up. As usual girls being made to feel ashamed and like they need to cover up to avoid making other people “uncomfortable”.

Tandora · 13/06/2023 19:50

MumofSpud · 13/06/2023 19:43

Years ago when DD was about 7 I posted about sending DD to school with shorts under her dress as she was forever doing handstands / cartwheels etc

I was told off by the school as it wasn't part of the uniform - this would have been 2012 ish

Well the slating I got on MN when I posted if I was being unreasonable or not!

Today as a teacher a 12 year old girl sat opposite me and I had to tell her how to sit Blush

Today as a teacher a 12 year old girl sat opposite me and I had to tell her how to sit

please don’t do this. The girl can sit how she fucking well wants/ is comfortable. I still remember being told to “sit like a lady” by my teacher in primary school. It made me feel ill with shame.

wafflyversatile · 13/06/2023 19:53

I can get that if you're wearing a skirt and doing cartwheels etc you might want to make sure your privates are securely covered but wearing pants and shorts and a skirt seems overkill and wasteful. Surely shorts style pants as standard makes more sense.

SparklingMarkling · 13/06/2023 20:13

@CurlewKate

You don’t need to tell me anything, I have the pleasure of working with sex offenders in the community on a daily basis. I’m certain I could teach you a thing or two.

voxnihili · 13/06/2023 20:14

My 4 year old DD wears hot pants / cycling shorts under her school dresses as her knickers barely cover anything. They have the added advantage of holding the poo in when she has an accident (happens often enough to be a consideration!).

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