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To think that 5/6 year old little girls don’t need to wear shorts under dresses to “protect their modesty”

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Darthwazette · 13/06/2023 11:08

Just what the subject like says really. I’d be interested to know other parents thoughts. I’m not a weirdo, this request has been made of my daughters from school and it makes me feel a bit icky.

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Freddiefox · 13/06/2023 17:21

MonkeyBarsKid · 13/06/2023 11:50

Hmm this conversation is very pertinent in my house right now as DD (6) is completely obsessed with monkey bars at the moment. Pretty sure she spends all playtime on them and a lot of time spent hanging upside down. She likes wearing summer dresses, and I prefer this too as just one item (plus knickers and socks) makes life very easy!

I have asked her if she would like to wear shorts under her dress and she said no. I didn’t want to push it on her. I don’t really like the play suits and I don’t think she would want to wear those either. I had wondered about the PANTS thing - should I be saying to her that no one should see her knickers? Because they definitely are seeing her knickers! Maybe I will get the short style knickers but I myself find that they ride up into the bum area and are therefore not very comfortable.

Thing is it’s often not just knickers, the children at school who do somersaults on the bars end with their dresses or t shirts hanging over their heads while stomachs showing as well as pants.
It’s really stops some of them
playing and doing their tricks.
Personally I wouldn’t wear a dress to go to the gym.

Sartre · 13/06/2023 17:28

I wear shorts under my tshirt dresses because when I bend over you can see my bum. I’m taller than average so I guess this is why, I’m just buying standard sized tshirt dresses not mini ones. I don’t want people seeing my bottom when I bend down. My DD’s asked to wear shorts under their dresses towards the end of primary school because they didn’t want to flash their knickers when they flipped around in the playground.

I think it’s practical personally, just makes sense.

ALongHardWinter · 13/06/2023 17:32

I can totally understand where the school is coming from with this,but like a lot of previous posters,it makes me feel uncomfortable. Protect their modesty from what/who? I don't remember this being 'a thing' when I was that age (late 1960s).

bythere · 13/06/2023 17:35

I believe modesty should be taught at a certain point but I also think that if something would be very briefly shown at still quite a young age it's not that big of a deal. Isn't it common just a few years before this in nursery for children of both sexes to even use the same toilet and get changed together? Something how we go from that to worrying about this so quickly.

Avondale89 · 13/06/2023 17:41

GrumpyPanda · 13/06/2023 11:25

Maybe just put her in shorts to start with? Duh.

Duh? Really? Are you 5 years old?

Avondale89 · 13/06/2023 17:43

10HailMarys · 13/06/2023 14:29

Your child is no more safe from paedophiles because she is wearing shorts under her dress. Paedophiles don’t target children because of what they’re wearing. They target them because they are children.

Yes but girl’s underwear unfortunately does tend to gape, so why take the risk?

Avondale89 · 13/06/2023 17:45

fairywhale · 13/06/2023 14:42

School telling our little girls to cover up. Is it a school known for islamification ? I'd change school if such a request was made.
Not long before we all will be told to cover up and to stop existing. All the right steps have been made with the whole concept of women being eroded.
How vile. Report to Ofsted and write reviews and contact your MP. And make sure the Headteacher knows how offensive and vicious this is.

Is this comment serious? It’s hardly eroding the concept of being a woman. We were asked to do this when I was in primary school 30 years ago. Underwear can gape when sitting cross legged and we used to love going upside side and doing cartwheels. Seems like common sense to me and not a big deal.

CurlewKate · 13/06/2023 17:45

"Yes but girl’s underwear unfortunately does tend to gape, so why take the risk?"

Buy better underwear. Don't teach little girls they are responsible for mediating men's behaviour.

Zooeyzo · 13/06/2023 17:46

The playsuits aren't great. They end up on the toilet floor for under 7s and then get wet. My daughter has the sainsburys gingham shorts

LlynTegid · 13/06/2023 17:46

Don't need to I agree, but if they want to, their request should be accepted.

Theprincessisblanketed · 13/06/2023 17:46

VasariMichelangelo · 13/06/2023 16:42

So do you go out in your bra and pants because it covers your privates like a bikini? If not, you're teaching her that no one should see you in your underwear but she's fair game.

There is a time and a place for leotards/swimwear, but not for going about in your undies.

I couldn't care less if people see my underwear. Saying this peice of cotton is underwear and must never be seen, and this peice of cotton is designated shorts and so is fine to be seen is nuts in my opinion.

I also dry my underwear on the line where anyone can see it gasp! Shock! Horror!

CurlewKate · 13/06/2023 17:47

Incidentally- I don't think I've ever seen a child's genitals when they are wearing pants, unless they are deliberately pulling them aside.

Catbumps · 13/06/2023 17:55

Protect their modest" here is a euphemism for "not show everyone their vagina or bum when they do a cartwheel

lol at poster not knowing the difference between a vagina and a vulva. Educate yourself

recsw · 13/06/2023 18:00

Far more sensible to just say all children wear shorts, no skirts required.

If they are wearing skirts then knickers should be sufficient to cover genitals, if not buy knickers that are sufficient. One of my neighbours used to kit her 5/6 year old daughter out in G-strings as underwear, which I personally didn't think suitable (even before handstands and cartwheels).

Cam22 · 13/06/2023 18:06

EscapeRoomToTheSun · 13/06/2023 14:23

@dreamingperfect you wear cycling shorts under your own dresses bloody hell have you considered the convent.

😆

SpicyChickenPizza · 13/06/2023 18:08

CoffeeWithCheese · 13/06/2023 16:40

Bit disturbed by all these alleged reception teachers spending the day in horror at flashed genitalia. I taught reception for years and yes, you'd get the odd flash of pants, but I have never ever been confronted by genitalia hanging out of them like apparently is a regular occurrence on here. I also have never witnessed genitalia hanging out of secondary school girls' skirts like the professionally horrified on here either though.

As for reception kids mortified at their pants being on show - half the time they're comparing who's got what cartoon character on the buggers while getting changed for PE!

If mine wanted to wear shorts under their skirt - fine - no one wants the hot climbing frame bars on their butt on a day like this, but I would be VERY angry at school insisting on "modesty" shorts and implying that girls wearing conventional girls' school uniform is somehow "immodest" because it's not. As for the pant-suit versions of the girls' dresses... they're lovely - but if they're wearing a cardigan it's a double strip off job, and do you really want that lovely gingham trailing on the average primary school toilet floor?!

Also wondering why the fuck people on here seem to be incapable of buying little girls underwear that cover the required area for underwear. Buy it in a size that's sensible and chuck it out when it's lost all elastic consistency or when it's outgrown - you're not buying a fecking thong! My two would complain if they had pants that were prone to arsecrack exploration missions and are firmly at present in the camp of coverage = comfort so no chance of them tolerating uncooperative knickers!

Bit disturbed by all these alleged reception teachers spending the day in horror at flashed genitalia. I taught reception for years and yes, you'd get the odd flash of pants, but I have never ever been confronted by genitalia hanging out of them like apparently is a regular occurrence on here

I wondered too about these teachers. I spent a lot of time with my daughter and her friends growing up. They sat on the floor, did cartwheels when out and about, had picnics etc. I barely saw knickers never mind genitalia. Yet teachers are getting an eyeful of vulvas (vulvae?) it seems. Very odd.

SpicyChickenPizza · 13/06/2023 18:11

Catbumps · 13/06/2023 17:55

Protect their modest" here is a euphemism for "not show everyone their vagina or bum when they do a cartwheel

lol at poster not knowing the difference between a vagina and a vulva. Educate yourself

I think that was a teacher too 😳

katepilar · 13/06/2023 18:15

ALongHardWinter · 13/06/2023 17:32

I can totally understand where the school is coming from with this,but like a lot of previous posters,it makes me feel uncomfortable. Protect their modesty from what/who? I don't remember this being 'a thing' when I was that age (late 1960s).

Just wondering - was the underwear the same type as it is today? Sorry if this sounds a daft question but I am too young to know.

libraryquery · 13/06/2023 18:19

@katepilar No - 1960s (and even 1980s) underwear was much more substantial. Think granny pants but for little girls, with high waists and elastic all around the legs.

Kanaloa · 13/06/2023 18:22

libraryquery · 13/06/2023 18:19

@katepilar No - 1960s (and even 1980s) underwear was much more substantial. Think granny pants but for little girls, with high waists and elastic all around the legs.

I remember as a child reading the Malory Towers books and being quite nonplussed that Jo ‘tucked her pocket money in her knickers.’ I remember thinking what the hell is going on in this school that people are putting five shilling notes in their undies! Now I know that school knickers back then weren’t really like knickers now and I explained to DD when we reread them together 😂

WeeWillyWinkie9 · 13/06/2023 18:23

It teaches little girls to change their behaviour to stop boys from looking at them and commenting on their body. Start of victim blaming attitudes.

Eddie16 · 13/06/2023 18:29

My daughter is 7 years old and likes wearing modesty shorts under her summer dress. She doesn't have to but prefers it as she is an active child with all the gymnastics/running around she does at school plus her friends wear them as well.
The school dress code doesn't say anything about shorts under summer dresses but if a child feels the need to cover up or if a parent asks their child for the child's preference then I don't see an issue with it.
I'm also trying to teach my daughter that her body is beautiful and its up to her what she wears within reason e.g school uniform.

ManyATrueWord · 13/06/2023 18:30

My view is that skirts are oppressive. You can't do gymnastics without flashing your underwear. Stop putting girls in skirts and there is no issue.

ALongHardWinter · 13/06/2023 18:36

katepilar Thinking about it,I think the underwear we wore was a bit more substantial. I can remember wearing navy blue knickers that were quite thick and high-waisted.

Cam22 · 13/06/2023 18:37

FarmGirl78 · 13/06/2023 16:58

What? Why shouldn't adults do cartwheels? I'm not energetic enough, but I often used to get back to the office on an afternoon and the secretary would say "I've been here all day by myself and I'm in such a good mood I want to cartwheel, but there's been no-one here to appreciate it". And she'd cartwheel all the way down the corridor and back again.

You're telling me you've never tried a forward roll in the living room when no-one is looking? Just to see if you can still do one? Never had a roly poly competition in a beer garden after a few scoops?

There's no age limit on lying on your side and rolling down hills either.

Ridiculous ideas.

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