To believe in forced castration?

[SchoolShenanigans]

Sorry if this has been done before, but AIBU to think forced castration should be in place for paedophiles and people of child bearing age who have been convicted of any form of child abuse?

I get people have bodily autonomy; but the protection of children surely comes first?!

Just read the thread where a couple have already lost one child to care, are neglectful to another (disturbed) child, with social services intervention, and now pregnant with another.

I also have a family member who has 6 children with different inappropriate fathers, in and out of prison, social services involvement and criminal convictions. Providing a shit childhood for multiple innocent children who will be affected for life.

Why are we so again castration as a mechanism to stop further reproduction in damaging environments?

In many cases, people with prior child abuse convictions just have subsequent babies immediately removed. What's the point? Just stop them being able to have kids and the problems sorted?

In an ideal world it’s a great idea, in reality it’s a slippery slope and as much as I may sometimes disagree, these people also have human rights.

If the state can decide that some people can’t have children? What’s next? It’s one of the reasons I hate the dissolution of Wade vs Roe, it’s a sloppy slope to erasing women’s rights.

You would want to live in a society where your children were systematically harmed at - what, 12? I find that hard to believe.

I want positive interventions to be properly funded to support struggling families who are at risk rather than treating them as subhuman and forcing them to be sterilised

Some people are subhuman and they do absolutely terrible things to their children, that's just not something that education would prevent. Some are just truly evil.

That's why we have all the threads on here about babies , toddlers etc who were subjected to fucking horrific torture and constant abuse before being brutally murdered. Do you seriously believe that parenting classes would prevent this?!

Perverts incarceration Islands, bit like alcatraz 😉 remove from society, bare, inhospitable, no visitors, no phone signal, no Internet.

@AlwaysGinPlease no one is talking about 'parenting classes' it needs sustained intervention that is properly funded

There is a small project, for examples, that supports mothers who have had a child removed to be allowed to parent a subsequent child - and it works well

Some people are subhuman

Fascists out in force today. Does the sunshine bring them out?

I think you’ve misunderstood the point of the thread. It’s not about social policies that aim to improve outcomes for children. It’s about castrating paedos.

@Gtsr443 Don't you believe that people that deliberately do such horrific things to children are subhuman then? Hardly fascist beliefs.

I know - more fool me for trying to have an actual debate!

Although - to be fair, the OP did also mention failing families and crap mothers

Rape is not about sex; it is about power. Castrating someone won't take away the need to have power.

I don't think anyone is subhuman - we are all human - even if that makes people uncomfortable

Adolf Hitler thought the same thing - some people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. Pastor Niemoller anyone...
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists

Who has said they agree with that? I certainly don’t!

Food for thought.

When did our justice system become so perfect as to prevent any mistakes with barbaric sentences like this ?

Of is the OP not worried about mistakes as they will obviously only affect other people ?

That’s a really odd conclusion to reach.

You might as well say we shouldn't put anyone in prison because they might be wrongfully convicted.

I wouldn't advocate castration for minor crimes such as shoplifting or dropping litter. But for serious crimes and repeat offenders with rap sheets a yard long, why not? If it reduces crime and prevents future criminals from being born, it can only be a good thing.

You do understand that castration is not reversible, don’t you?

Why do you believe it would reduce crime, or prevent criminals being born. We have forced sterilisation well within living memory in the UK. If you’re so pro this, have you thought about moving somewhere that already takes away bodily autonomy of criminals?

Sexual abuse is about inflicting power, control, and pain. It doesn't rely on successful erections.

The castration of sex offenders would do nothing to prevent the person inflicting sexual assault. The legal definition of sexual assault includes

" ‘assault by penetration’. This is when someone penetrates another person’s vagina or anus with anything except a penis (penetration with a penis is rape) without their consent. This could include any part of the body (finger, fist) or an object.

Forced penetration of any body part with a fist, bottle, or any solid object, could cause even greater physical (and emotional) trauma and damage.

That's not the strongest argument, its a supposedly unwanted consequence of the strongest argument, which is that the state should never, ever have the right of life and death over its citizens. My parents escaped such a regime. Barely.

Well, no, because you can let someone out of prison if it turns out they are innocent. You can’t stitch someone’s bollocks back on (well you can, but they probably won’t work).

Honestly, this is KS1-level stuff.

also - if you know the penalty for a crime is castration or death - aren't you less likely to leave a witness? Isn't that endangering as well?

I’ve done a lot of safeguarding training in my job and the evidence sadly shows they would still find a way to hurt and abuse children. The issue is their mind.

Why stop there?

Why not immigrants too (especially the "wrong kind")? Why not disabled people? Why not very poor people? Why not people with mental health disorders? Why not care leavers?