Parking charge notice

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DP's job and job description does not involve any driving at all. One of his Supervisors doesn't drive (although is advertised as a necessary requirement for his position) and subsequently (very often) DP is asked to ferry this supervisor around in a company van. In doing so he's inadvertently drove in a bus lane on a road he doesn't know at 22:00. There has been a penalty charge notice issued and DP is expected to pay this personally?

This can't be right surely?

You have asked, been told YABU and accepted that
No idea why some people are being so rude OP

@Eckyftang I've accepted the fine Is DPs responsibility as I said up thread. I was merely musing that really the supervisor should offer to pay half at least in my opinion..

Ahh yeah, I knew certain ones had to be illuminated and thought bus lane signs came under it, but you're right - they need only be reflective

Driving in bus lanes is optional. There's always another lane to use. This is a really really poor excuse for DHs not paying sufficient attention to the road.
Riddle me this... if DH ran somebody over on the journey would you hold the supervisor responsible?

Nothing better to do obviously.

@Eckyftang don't be so ridiculous 🙄

If this arsehole directly ordered him to drive in the bus lane. I agree he should at least pay half. No manager or supervisor in the land has the right to tell an employee to break the law though. And if that was the case DH really needs to stand up for himself a bit more.

I'm using the same logic you are using. And yes. It's ridiculous.

Has OP accepted it though?

Or have they said that they accept it, but then continued to argue their unreasonable position that the driver shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions?

It sounds like a really annoying situation. I would definitely be refusing to drive the supervisor anywhere in future. Although it was technically your DH’s fault, it’s obvious that statistically people are more likely to get tickets if they do more driving. The supervisor is taking the piss, and whilst legally he has no responsibility, morally he does.

The fact that it isn't his job to ferry his supervisor around, and doesn't like doing it, is unrelated to the fact that he didn't follow the rules of the road. That's on your DP.
If the company/supervisor is decent, they may well make a contribution towards paying it, but the law is clear, it's your DPs issue.

If your DP isn't comfortable driving people around for work, or driving at night, or whatever, that's a discussion he needs to have with his management.

How far do you take that argument?

If DP hadn’t been born, he wouldn’t have been driving, therefore the fine is technically his mother’s fine?

If the council hadn’t installed a bus lane, he wouldn’t have got a fine for where he was driving, so technically it’s the council’s fine?

Your husband isn’t some little powerless individual who has to drive in a bus lane because his boss told him to. Presumably he wouldn’t have driven the wrong way up a one way street? Or joined a motorway going the other way? Or driven off a bridge?

The company should pay for fuel,insurance, tolls etc. But not fines from driver error

This this this.

I'm glad you were able to express this point in a way I was unable to 😂

Op is using badly flawed logic. And seems to want to defend DH's position when it's indefensible.

Some fucking cunty responses on here OP. Not sure why - seems a reasonable question, you've accepted that he is liable and now people are calling you names?

FWIW I drove through a bus lane recently - I've been driving for 20+ years, and in town for at least 10 but didn't realise the markings had changed. No, I didn't notice a sign.

People make mistakes. And people ask questions if they're not sure of something. No excuse to be so rude. And I'm normally one being accused of being mean!

You know what, you're absolutely right. I get it. It's his fault. He's paid the fine.

My problem is more with the (non) supervisor (whoni dont like anyway for various other reasons) , being paid for a role that my DP is facilitating and this is a separate issue.

And also I think he should morally pay towards it ... but knowing what I do about him it doesn't surprise me in the least that he hasn't.

If your boss tells you to do something illegal you think everyone would follow that order? No, not at all!

If you husbands supervisor forced him to drive into a bus lane, then your husband must raise this with higher up as it;s bullying and illegal. In fact, it's probably something to report to the police - being forced into illegal activities

Wow, I can't believe I'm in such a minority, I sympathize with you. Your do is basically doing his company a favour driving his incompetent boss around, so even if he inadvertently broke the law himself I think they should be morally obliged to at least help out with the fine. The company sounds unprofessional.

No, because ultimately the law trumps any agreement that he would sign.

Even if his employer was very generous and had a contract that said they would accept responsibility for any driving misdemeanors, it would still be your DP that would be issued the speeding/parking/bus lane ticket, etc.

By law, it is his responsibility to follow the laws of the road, but also to ensure that he is legally insured to drive the vehicle and that the vehicle is in a roadworthy condition before he drives it.

If he gets pulled over, it is him that would get points for driving without insurance, for example.

My BIL used to be a police officer on traffic and after he retired from the police force went and worked for Tesco as a delivery driver. One day his manager tried to send him out with a load for delivery that contained a huge amount of drinks someone had ordered. My BIL took one look at the van and said "that's over weight - I can't drive that". His manager gave him a bollocking saying that it was his decision which van he drives and he could like it or lump it.

My BIL said "Fine, I'll drive it, but I'm going straight to the nearest weighbridge and if when that shows it's overweight I'm bringing it straight back. I'm not risking my licence for your incompetence."

That's an entirely separate issue. The issue is that op expects her DH's supervisor to pay for her his bad driving. Which is entirely unreasonable.

I had a delivery that was going to take a little while. I offered the guys a visitors parking permit. They said not to bother as the company paid any fines.
I think unfortunately your husband made the error so should pay. Though I have had satnav make me go down restricted streets on two occasions, it also says that I am responsible for knowing any restrictions in place - a bit if a catch 22 situation as I wouldn't be using the satnav if I knew the streets! But bus lanes are bus lanes and he was in error.

Recently started a new job and had to drive into central London for an ‘away day’ event on a weekend.
Was told by one of my new colleagues that I didn’t have to pay congestion charges - but not so according to the TWO penalty notices I’ve now received - totalling £180 😱
But it’s my fault for not checking…

😀you can't tell you dh what to do at work op.it's up to him to discuss with supervisor.
annoying as it is,it's one of those things.don't get any more stressed about it,you sound too invested in the supervisor not driving.Politely,it's not your business.

You're confused about car rental agreements too. You're responsible for all traffic violations in a rental car too. There's no such thing as a "liability agreement" in a car rental agreement so I don't know where you've even got that term from.

Yet still you deemed it worthy of a shitty response.