We need to start talking about population decline

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The first signs of it are starting to show in the UK, with primary school closures. Secondary school closures will follow.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/11158f12-0133-11ee-a364-04e704863f75?shareToken=5ef47b2b4776be376153089146c8bacf

Italy is a few years ahead of us.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/plunging-birthrate-threatens-italian-schools

Japan shows where every country is headed - towards a crisis where they are on the brink of being unable to maintain social functions.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/13/asia/japan-population-decline-record-drop-intl-hnk/index.html

And yet there are still people who think that we have a problem with overpopulation. It’s the opposite.

Well thank god for that because we infrastructure can not cope as it is. It took me 5 hours to drive a few miles on the M25 this week not because of an accident but sheer weight of traffic. We need to slow down the birth rate everywhere if we are to have any quality of life whatsoever and AI can assist us greatly.

You should have been living like that anyway!! Goodness me that is surely a benefit of brexit right there, personal responsibility and not constantly relying on the nanny state/others to wipe your arse.

Well thank god for that because we infrastructure can not cope as it is. It took me 5 hours to drive a few miles on the M25 this week not because of an accident but sheer weight of traffic. We need to slow down the birth rate everywhere if we are to have any quality of life whatsoever and AI can assist us greatly.

It's not the babies driving the cars though. You are the traffic 😆

You should have been living like that anyway!! Goodness me that is surely a benefit of brexit right there, personal responsibility and not constantly relying on the nanny state/others to wipe your arse.

You do know that it is possible to live the healthiest of lifestyles and still end up disabled and unable to care for oneself, don't you?

We also know that plenty of people do not live like that, despite knowing that they should. I think people deserve credit for doing the obvious. Brexit was meant to give a massive boost to the NHS' ability to serve all. Remember that advert on the side of the bus?

So very true

the amount of small boats coming here we hardly need more immigration, and certainly not in a population decline. Not the elderly costing the young but the £150 a night hotels to keep these folk descending here

That is a good point. Lots of people going about how there are too many of us, how the world would be better off without us, how we need to reduce the world’s population drastically.
I wonder what those people thought about lockdowns and other safety measures during Covid.
It could have been such a great opportunity to drastically reduce world population, right? (And no, that’s not what I would be advocating for.)

State pension alone costs over £100bn a year. We spend something like £3 or 4bn on asylum seekers. I'm no mathematician but I think you might be wrong there.

I'm not sure that getting the small boats demographic to staff care homes would be either feasible or desirable. Even without the fact that the government doesn't let asylum seekers work for at least a year.

I agree with all your points, OP 🙂

People generally need to step up and help themselves so there are carers available for those that are disabled not through obesity and bad life style choices but through unavoidable situations. Too many people do not take care of themselves, and expect the NHS and the state to pick up the multi billion pound bill.

It’s such a weird and grim outlook on life, isn’t it?

Too many people on a tiny island is the issue. I can’t share your laughter - it isn’t funny.

@GCalltheway out of interest how many children do you have?

Too many people on a tiny island is the issue. I can’t share your laughter - it isn’t funny.

It's a bit funny that you think other people are the reason you are stuck in traffic & that fewer babies will have any impact on said traffic in your lifetime.

Question for all the posters that think humans are a scrounge on the planet and we aren't dying quick enough... why are you still alive?

Bet many have had dc too but it's because others should die not them!

We need a 1 child limit. People can purchase the right to have a 2nd child for £250,000. And the right to have a 3rd child for £5 million. Multiple births would not be counted as breaking the limit.

Yes and elderly have mainly paid in over the years'.

The birth rate is about 1.6

Yes and elderly have mainly paid in over the years'.

I never understand the narrative that all pensioners worked & paid taxes when they were young because that's obviously BS.

We desperately need population decline ecologically, and it’s no bad thing that the increasingly rich top level learn to appreciate working people once again. Perhaps they’ll have to appreciate women as workers and mothers again too, rather than forcing an increasing sex industry as part of a ‘bread and circuses’ offering to the male apes.

Why is it BS.

A lot of them would have and saved for private pensions as well

I'd have a child if the government guaranteed me affordable housing. As it is, they want me to live at the mercy of landlords so I'll leave worrying about population growth to someone else.

Build more council homes.
Allow people to support a family on one wage.
Have more child friendly areas.