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to think it matters whether Phillip Schofield met the runner when he was 12 or 15.

258 replies

couldanyoneexplain · 02/06/2023 14:14

I've seen and heard both.
Obviously getting someone a job at 18 or 19 with exploitative intentions is sleazy in the extreme. 15 is underage and deeply concerning, but 12 is deep into paedo territory.

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Thepleasureofyourcompany · 03/06/2023 14:30

Canthave2manycats · 03/06/2023 14:26

I completely disagree. He shouldn't have named anyone. That's such a low blow.

I don't believe that people want him dead either. They just would like to know what has been going on. I don't know how you can state with such certainty that his lover wasn't still a child at the beginning of their relationship either, when the truth of the matter is, we don't actually know.

If you don't know, why assume he was a child? The timelines certainly don't suggest it.

But like the tragic case of nicola bulley earlier in the year, nowadays people love to put 2 and 2 together and make 5.

Mangogogogo · 03/06/2023 14:31

Both bad, but a sexual offence against a child under 13 is significantly worse in terms of the law

mainsfed · 03/06/2023 14:38

Starhead69 · 02/06/2023 14:44

@Readyplayerthr33 to say what I said. Distraction technique.

Well it didn’t work as there are 200 replies 🙄

Canthave2manycats · 03/06/2023 15:39

Nat6999 · 03/06/2023 14:28

I think it's time he was left alone now, he knows he did wrong & has taken his punishment, he's lost his career, his self respect, some people will only be happy when he has taken his life. Bill Wyman met Mandy Smith when she was 13, Johnny Cash met his wife June when she was under age, So did Elvis with his ex wife Priscilla, but none of them lost their career, what is the difference other than it was a same sex relationship?

They happened 40/50 years ago?

Canthave2manycats · 03/06/2023 15:42

Thepleasureofyourcompany · 03/06/2023 14:30

If you don't know, why assume he was a child? The timelines certainly don't suggest it.

But like the tragic case of nicola bulley earlier in the year, nowadays people love to put 2 and 2 together and make 5.

What part of "we don't actually know" did you twist into the 'assumption' he was a child when the relationship began??

Thepleasureofyourcompany · 03/06/2023 15:43

Well we do know, as PS has told us. If you don't believe him, and prefer gossip, them that's your perogative.

Canthave2manycats · 03/06/2023 15:49

Thepleasureofyourcompany · 03/06/2023 15:43

Well we do know, as PS has told us. If you don't believe him, and prefer gossip, them that's your perogative.

OMG how naive are you?!

After the blatant lies he has ADMITTED to telling literally the world and its wife, with total impunity - and you want to believe him now?

I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Not with his track record.

It's your prerogative if you wish to believe a self-confessed inveterate liar.

Thepleasureofyourcompany · 03/06/2023 15:52

Canthave2manycats · 03/06/2023 15:49

OMG how naive are you?!

After the blatant lies he has ADMITTED to telling literally the world and its wife, with total impunity - and you want to believe him now?

I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Not with his track record.

It's your prerogative if you wish to believe a self-confessed inveterate liar.

Well that's all the 'evidence' we have, but as I said, lots of people love to believe they know more than others with these high profile cases.

Wiccan · 03/06/2023 15:59

I think any adult who knew someone as a child should never enter into a relationship with them once they become an adult . It's just bloody wrong on every level !

Wiccan · 03/06/2023 16:12

FedUpWithEverything123 · 03/06/2023 08:37

@AnyaMarx you're completely ignoring the issue particular to this case: grooming a child. You presumably met the 21yo you dated as adults; and perhaps you didn't have the huge power imbalance that PS had. In PS's case, he met the boy when the boy was 12/15yo, followed him on Twitter when the boy was 15, kept in touch with "career advice", seemingly helped the boy get a job at itv, then began a sexual relationship with him when he was of legal age. PS was very rich & powerful, the boy was not. When things broke down, the young man was removed from his job and moved to another programme.

Agree. It's classic grooming. PS really needs to look up the term grooming . And by paying for the runners legal representative PS is still using his power over him !

Nat6999 · 03/06/2023 18:36

Canthave2manycats · 03/06/2023 15:39

They happened 40/50 years ago?

Yes Johnny cash & Elvis,. It doesn't matter when they were, none of them had their careers ended because of it. but Bill Wyman was in 1993

Gothambutnotahamster · 03/06/2023 18:42

@Nat6999 so because they didn't have their careers ended, PS shouldn't?

That's crazy! I was a teenager when Bill Wyman was with Mandy Smith and remember being disgusted by it and also remember my mum and dad being angry about it too and not understanding how her parents were accepting of it.

We should learn from the past and be better, not accept abhorrent things today just because they were accepted 30 plus years ago.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 18:45

Wiccan · 03/06/2023 16:12

Agree. It's classic grooming. PS really needs to look up the term grooming . And by paying for the runners legal representative PS is still using his power over him !

I imagine the runner needs legal representation to protect his privacy, as he isn’t issuing statements. If so it’s entirely appropriate PS pay for it

Wiccan · 03/06/2023 19:08

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 18:45

I imagine the runner needs legal representation to protect his privacy, as he isn’t issuing statements. If so it’s entirely appropriate PS pay for it

Of course he does , but definatly not paid for by the man who is accused of grooming him . It's just more control over the runner by PS . It could not be more inappropriate !

AnyaMarx · 03/06/2023 19:26

I dont think PS has groomed the young man .

Other celebs have met their future flings when they were younger - it doesn't appear PS had much contact with the man in question until he was well above the age of consent and helped him get a job

There is also no evidence that he had him removed from his job - he allegedly applied for a promotion and got it

The comparisons to CF meeting LP are valid - he was 16 , but there is no suggestion she groomed him before their legitimately legal relationship.

This is a witch hunt . The facts are when they worked closely a relationship developed and a fling happened . It ended . The young man moved jobs .

I think the timing of this is unfortunate because of schofields brother being jailed but nor do I think the timing is coincidence.

There is no evidence he groomed anyone. There was minimal contact between them - the man asked him to follow him and asked his advice re getting from a drama school into television. I'm sure any one with any investigative skill could very easily and quickly look at what the actual contact between them online was prior to the pair meeting and working together- when both were adults .

It's mass hysteria and hypocrisy at its finest . And it's time to leave the men involved alone , let the enquiry take place and then judge based on the evidence .

Gothambutnotahamster · 03/06/2023 19:42

Yes yes @AnyaMarx - nothing to see here, move along people. We can't have powerful and influential men held to account for their misdeeds and wrongdoings, that's not how our mysoginistic society works and you little women should know your place!

AnyaMarx · 03/06/2023 21:09

😂. If that's the best counter argument anyone can come up with I'll stick to my reasoned opinion and wait for the evidence of any investigation.

PrivateMolecule0 · 03/06/2023 23:18

The ponification over this topic is nosy white-entitled Brexit-failure Britain with f*ck-all-to-do-except-watch-TV-in-the-daytime at it's worse.

It also feeds the homos-are-paedos poundshop Alpha fantasy.

If it was Boris Johnson doing it to a girl he'd just be 'a bit of a lad'.

Yellowdays · 03/06/2023 23:26

Yep.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:31

It also feeds the homos-are-paedos poundshop Alpha fantasy.

100000% this.

Its a shame gay men are STILL tolerating this level of homophobia

PrivateMolecule0 · 03/06/2023 23:48

Canthave2manycats · 03/06/2023 15:49

OMG how naive are you?!

After the blatant lies he has ADMITTED to telling literally the world and its wife, with total impunity - and you want to believe him now?

I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Not with his track record.

It's your prerogative if you wish to believe a self-confessed inveterate liar.

We'd all be interested to see what evidence you have personally been presented with and it's source and standing in this issue.

I'll wait.

Boobe · 03/06/2023 23:55

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 23:31

It also feeds the homos-are-paedos poundshop Alpha fantasy.

100000% this.

Its a shame gay men are STILL tolerating this level of homophobia

Where? He got off lighter than if he were sleeping with a young woman.

One gay man doing wrong and being criticised is not homophobia. It just males people roll their eyes when this is used to excuse what happened.

Had it been a big story? Yes. Had it for anything to do with his sexuality, no.

AnyaMarx · 03/06/2023 23:59

He got off
Lighter ?

How ?

He's lost his job , reputation, entire career and actually for nothing illegal !

Jesus we've had politicians do
Worse and come back .

He had a fling . Like millions do and the relationship board on this forum is full of the same - my husband is having an affair with his colleague whose 25 years his junior- do those men get hauled over the coals publicly, hounded , trolled and lose everything? No . Because that's life . Morally it might be shot but legally it's not . Why should this one man be treated differently because of the job he does ?

LifeIsPainHighness · 04/06/2023 00:02

Yes I’m unsure what he ‘got off’ with considering he didn’t do anything terrible to anyone except his wife.

AnyaMarx · 04/06/2023 00:02

Or because he's gay

One of my colleagues married his former kids babysitter! Totally successful relationship on every front - lovely couple , totally sorted .

This thread is batshit .

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