to think it matters whether Phillip Schofield met the runner when he was 12 or 15.

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I've seen and heard both.
Obviously getting someone a job at 18 or 19 with exploitative intentions is sleazy in the extreme. 15 is underage and deeply concerning, but 12 is deep into paedo territory.

Can we stop pretending CF was some sort of an angel, she was a domestic abuser, and her relationship with Harry Styles was a bit dodgy.

What serious matter? It’s an affair - nothing to do with the public

Exactly. Someone somewhere in Westminster is squirming with delight that the media is shining such a spotlight on something so inconsequential. And the public’s falling for it.

Agree with both of you on this. There seems to be a kind of collective madness about this non issue.

@LifeIsPainHighness no one said the boy was 12/15 in the video.
Your constant downplaying of grooming are worrying and a huge red flag

The COVID-19 inquiry is so important, it will likely reveal that essentially our government broke their own rules, overpaid their mates for PPE contracts and left people to die alone while they partied at no 10.

But yeah, a gay man took a younger lover so let’s talk about how we NEED to know the facts.

We fall for it every time.

There is no evidence there as grooming.

And yes people are saying he was 12/15 in videos, pictures etc even though he clearly wasn’t

Clearly. It's so transparent its embarrassing. If PS had an affair that's between him and his wife.

So you don't consider her death as a tragedy?

It's sad and may be a tragedy for her family. But for the greater world no I don't consider it a tragedy.

My problem is people making out she was a angle when she clearly wasn't, she was a domestic abuser no better than a man who is a domestic abuser.

HS was 17 when he was with CF, was there this outcry then??

I think people were quite unimpressed at the time too but the situations don't compare. I've never seen it suggested that CF groomed him, and she was in a position of authority over him.

@Againstmachine I consider any death by suicide to be tragic in most cases - I'd make an exception for the likes of Epstein or Hitler!

There's actually no proof that they slept together she was covering for him.
He was actually having a gay fling at the time.

My point is people are acting like she was a angel and we can't take her name in vain despite the fact she was a domestic abuser.

Do you know if it was a man who was a domestic abuser Mumsnet would be wanting his head and would say good riddance if they died.

@LifeIsPainHighness you're confusing different things - the video in the restaurant is from 2014, as stated by Jones who made it, so the young man is around 18; the photo from the theatre school is from years before that when he was clearly a child.

I don't think she was an angel at all but I think it's in the worst possible taste to cite the example of a dead woman while bleating that the world wants him dead, or whatever hyperbole it was that he used.

I do agree he shouldn't have said that out loud.

It is and it’s entirely acceptable for PS to compare the situation. All this boo-hooing over him ‘using her name’ is embarrassing, she wasn’t a martyr who died for a cause, it’s fine to compare situations

Where is the evidence PS groomed anyone?

Meeting them at 12 ina group of other youngsters, then following on social media 3 years later, then giving a ‘leg up’ into showbiz 3 after that is not grooming. I think you’ll find about 95% of people IN TV are there because they got a leg up from a mate.

Oh Christ here we go

I’m not a be one confusing anything.

The restaurant video is from 2015. Even Jack Jones can’t turn back time.

But it DOES feel like the world wants him dead. People are outraged, maki my up nonsense and absolutely clamouring to hope that his lover was a child, when he quite obviously wasn’t, just do they can call him a pedophile, when he’s clearly not.

I completely disagree. He shouldn't have named anyone. That's such a low blow.

I don't believe that people want him dead either. They just would like to know what has been going on. I don't know how you can state with such certainty that his lover wasn't still a child at the beginning of their relationship either, when the truth of the matter is, we don't actually know.

I think it's time he was left alone now, he knows he did wrong & has taken his punishment, he's lost his career, his self respect, some people will only be happy when he has taken his life. Bill Wyman met Mandy Smith when she was 13, Johnny Cash met his wife June when she was under age, So did Elvis with his ex wife Priscilla, but none of them lost their career, what is the difference other than it was a same sex relationship?

If you want proper world news you need to watch broadcasters like Al Jeezera and other international news. Surely being nieve and fed misinformation is a choice for the intellectual?

What do you think the PS story is hiding us from genuinely? Even the BBC is covering corruption in our government and the covid messaging scandal. Even the Daily Mail is covering it. Is there something bigger than that currently? Genuinely curious