Page 26 | To think Phillip schofield scandal is homophobia?

ivfregret · 2023-05-31T23:00:20+00:00

Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor? He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship. I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

Lemieux3 · 03/06/2023 19:35

BroomHandledMouser · 03/06/2023 16:07

Nothing to do with homophobia.

I think people would be just as outraged if he had messaged a 15 year old girl when he was in his 40’s and as soon as it was consensual shagged her.

It’s called grooming

Exactly. And evidence suggests MM was 11 when they first met at the theatre company with MM coming from a troubled background.

If this was a man and a teenage girl, the reactions would be even worse!

Billyho · 03/06/2023 20:30

Lemieux3 · 03/06/2023 19:35

Exactly. And evidence suggests MM was 11 when they first met at the theatre company with MM coming from a troubled background.

If this was a man and a teenage girl, the reactions would be even worse!

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11!!!!

PS is a total cunt!

Artycrafts · 03/06/2023 20:34

Excuses, excuses, as ever. Just like with the tick tok twat. There are always those who want to find ways to disagree with the majority, just to seem edgy.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 20:54

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 16:11

I’m a bit surprised that they don’t realise the age of consent for gay men has been 16 for quite some time, not 18

OK, but that’s to bring it in line with the age of consent for heterosexuals - and so that 16YOs can have consenting sex with other 16YOs?

Not so that 50, 55, 60YO-pluses can get their hand on them. 🤷🏻‍♀️

SaxSick · 03/06/2023 21:21

Philip needs to be quiet and disappear for a while. He is attracting so much more attention. Oh wait he is so devastated he has to have his daughters keep an eye on him but he's not so devastated that he cannot do an interview and come back with quick answers and evasive ones. As others have said he is a narc of the first degree - fucked over his wife and family, fucked over this guy that he now says he did not love, it wasn't an affair, he was just a mate but had sex with him 5/6 times in the dressing room and has now made him a laughing stock. He really is a weak vile man.

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 21:45

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 16:11

I’m a bit surprised that they don’t realise the age of consent for gay men has been 16 for quite some time, not 18

Gay 16 year olds are teenagers, not men.

And just because it's legal doesn't mean that it's ok for middle aged men to sleep with them.

WoolyAndYug · 03/06/2023 21:48

I can't imagine a world in which I was mid fifties and met a 15 year old and then got them a job in a very competitive industry using my power and influence, then once they were of age according to PS started a sexual relationship with them whilst I was married then pretend it's homophobia when anyone calls me out, then even worse threaten suicide if people challenge it.

Gothambutnotahamster · 03/06/2023 21:58

Me neither @WoolyAndYug

It's a complete DARVO, 'casting couch', abuse of power operation by PS.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:01

Lemieux3 · 03/06/2023 19:35

Exactly. And evidence suggests MM was 11 when they first met at the theatre company with MM coming from a troubled background.

If this was a man and a teenage girl, the reactions would be even worse!

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My god he’s getting younger and his background is getting worse.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:02

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 20:54

OK, but that’s to bring it in line with the age of consent for heterosexuals - and so that 16YOs can have consenting sex with other 16YOs?

Not so that 50, 55, 60YO-pluses can get their hand on them. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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I don’t think that’s exactly true actually. Otherwise there’d be additional parameters for ages of consent

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:03

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 21:45

Gay 16 year olds are teenagers, not men.

And just because it's legal doesn't mean that it's ok for middle aged men to sleep with them.

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I didn’t say it was, but people are claiming PS waited until this guy was 18 so he was legal. Which is ridiculous

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 22:07

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:02

I don’t think that’s exactly true actually. Otherwise there’d be additional parameters for ages of consent

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Well, of course 60YOs can have sex with 16YOs, it’s now perfectly legal - but it wasn’t the reason for, nor intent behind, lowering the age of consent.

Cheating on your spouse is perfectly legal.

Financially and emotionally abusing your spouse if perfectly legal.

Being a bully in the workplace is perfectly legal.

Being 58 and sleeping with a 16YO is perfectly legal.

Just don’t be the least bit surprised and go whining when people en mass judge you, and reject you, on the basis of those behaviours.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 22:11

But by all means keeping playing devil’s advocate and trying to justify immoral behaviour. It’s interesting and fascinating watch you twist and turn.

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 22:12

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:03

I didn’t say it was, but people are claiming PS waited until this guy was 18 so he was legal. Which is ridiculous

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I think a lot of people mean legal and technically an adult...so that it wouldn't look as bad if it got out, so that he could say he was an adult when he slept with him.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:12

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 22:07

Well, of course 60YOs can have sex with 16YOs, it’s now perfectly legal - but it wasn’t the reason for, nor intent behind, lowering the age of consent.

Cheating on your spouse is perfectly legal.

Financially and emotionally abusing your spouse if perfectly legal.

Being a bully in the workplace is perfectly legal.

Being 58 and sleeping with a 16YO is perfectly legal.

Just don’t be the least bit surprised and go whining when people en mass judge you, and reject you, on the basis of those behaviours.

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Actually it was lowered to 16 in 2001 to that of the heterosexual age after campaigners and MPs brought a challenge proving it was discrimination to keep it higher for gay people.

As for the the rest of your post - well it’s the whole point of what you were saying isn’t it. It’s dodgy and inappropriate (and indeed very ‘unwise’) but it wasn’t illegal. Calls for police action are just ridiculous. A man behaves immorally to his wife is wrong but it’s no one business but theirs. People are acting like they’ve been personally slighted.

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:13

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 22:11

But by all means keeping playing devil’s advocate and trying to justify immoral behaviour. It’s interesting and fascinating watch you twist and turn.

I’m not justifying anything.

It was immoral.

But there’s no evidence at all it was grooming or that it was illegal.

ProfessorXtra · 03/06/2023 22:18

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:03

I didn’t say it was, but people are claiming PS waited until this guy was 18 so he was legal. Which is ridiculous

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I am not sure it’s quite that clear cut

Position of trust' is a legal term defined in the Sexual Offences Act 2003. In section 22 it is explained as an adult “caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge” of a child under the age of 18.

That PS says he was giving advice to him on twitter and mentoring of him sorts, consent at the age of 16 wouldn’t have applied.

I don’t particularly believe PS was sat waiting for years for this man to come of age. But consent being 16, isn’t always applicable. Besides which, even if it’s legal, doesn’t make it right. I have no idea when PS decided he was going to sleep with this young man. I don’t think it was when he was under 18. But it’s clear PS was in a position of power when it happened. May not be illegal. But definitely creep and wrong in my opinion.

I am really shocked that no one at any point (agent, ITV, lawyer, family) etc didn’t point out that following a teenager and sending them messages wasn’t the best idea. Forget what came after. But I can’t think of a single good reason why someone, especially, a celebrity would put themselves in that position.

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 22:19

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:12

Actually it was lowered to 16 in 2001 to that of the heterosexual age after campaigners and MPs brought a challenge proving it was discrimination to keep it higher for gay people.

As for the the rest of your post - well it’s the whole point of what you were saying isn’t it. It’s dodgy and inappropriate (and indeed very ‘unwise’) but it wasn’t illegal. Calls for police action are just ridiculous. A man behaves immorally to his wife is wrong but it’s no one business but theirs. People are acting like they’ve been personally slighted.

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Under UK Law would it not be considered grooming if all of the 'grooming' took place when the child was under 18 and the sexual contact occurred afterwards?

I think people want it investigated to see if there were inappropriate messages etc when the boy was under 16.

It's not ridiculous. Especially consider his brother has now been convicted. And Phil knew about it.

ConfessionsOfAMumDramaQueen · 03/06/2023 22:19

I agree he's been villified beyond what he should. Is what he did morally right? No.

Just to point out, there is a 23 year age gap between Boris and Carrie Johnson. He was married to his second wife when they started their affair (think she was end of her 20's), and she was a conservative party member. Do you not think he's had a big impact on her career? He wasn't villified at all, in fact he went on to become Prime Minister!

Unfortunately older male boss and very young female apprentice affair is a tale as old as time. None of them are right of course, but I have no idea why this one is getting the level of attention and vitriol it has.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 22:21

LifeIsPainHighness · 03/06/2023 22:12

Actually it was lowered to 16 in 2001 to that of the heterosexual age after campaigners and MPs brought a challenge proving it was discrimination to keep it higher for gay people.

As for the the rest of your post - well it’s the whole point of what you were saying isn’t it. It’s dodgy and inappropriate (and indeed very ‘unwise’) but it wasn’t illegal. Calls for police action are just ridiculous. A man behaves immorally to his wife is wrong but it’s no one business but theirs. People are acting like they’ve been personally slighted.

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Actually it was lowered to 16 in 2001 to that of the heterosexual age after campaigners and MPs brought a challenge proving it was discrimination to keep it higher for gay people.

Er, yes, that was exactly what I said in my first response to your post about the lowered age of consent….?

Here’s my post again:

OK, but that’s to bring it in line with the age of consent for heterosexuals - and so that 16YOs can have consenting sex with other 16YOs?

ProfessorXtra · 03/06/2023 22:23

ConfessionsOfAMumDramaQueen · 03/06/2023 22:19

I agree he's been villified beyond what he should. Is what he did morally right? No.

Just to point out, there is a 23 year age gap between Boris and Carrie Johnson. He was married to his second wife when they started their affair (think she was end of her 20's), and she was a conservative party member. Do you not think he's had a big impact on her career? He wasn't villified at all, in fact he went on to become Prime Minister!

Unfortunately older male boss and very young female apprentice affair is a tale as old as time. None of them are right of course, but I have no idea why this one is getting the level of attention and vitriol it has.

Actually, on social media he was. However she was an actual adult when they met. That said it’s is a concerning dynamic.

However, people are less shocked when it’s an older man and a younger woman (as has been mentioned above) is because it’s more common and accepted. Abuse of power, when the woman is on the recovering end is accepted because of misogyny. That’s why less people care when it’s a younger, impressionable female.

Billyho · 03/06/2023 22:25

ConfessionsOfAMumDramaQueen · 03/06/2023 22:19

I agree he's been villified beyond what he should. Is what he did morally right? No.

Just to point out, there is a 23 year age gap between Boris and Carrie Johnson. He was married to his second wife when they started their affair (think she was end of her 20's), and she was a conservative party member. Do you not think he's had a big impact on her career? He wasn't villified at all, in fact he went on to become Prime Minister!

Unfortunately older male boss and very young female apprentice affair is a tale as old as time. None of them are right of course, but I have no idea why this one is getting the level of attention and vitriol it has.

Because not all of us agree with normalising older male v younger female grooming.

you might, but that doesn’t make it right.

So therefore we’re not having more vitriol on this one, it’s the same as any decent person would on the males v female grooming, but many people don’t view that as bad.

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 03/06/2023 22:26

But there’s no evidence at all it was grooming or that it was illegal.

There's no evidence because nobody's bothered to investigate the claims until now.

And Phil insists it was "legal" (over 16).

Boomshock · 03/06/2023 22:29

ConfessionsOfAMumDramaQueen · 03/06/2023 22:19

I agree he's been villified beyond what he should. Is what he did morally right? No.

Just to point out, there is a 23 year age gap between Boris and Carrie Johnson. He was married to his second wife when they started their affair (think she was end of her 20's), and she was a conservative party member. Do you not think he's had a big impact on her career? He wasn't villified at all, in fact he went on to become Prime Minister!

Unfortunately older male boss and very young female apprentice affair is a tale as old as time. None of them are right of course, but I have no idea why this one is getting the level of attention and vitriol it has.

Because people don't believe his version of events, that's why.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/06/2023 22:37

Phillip Schofield has form for lying, lying, covering up and lying again. There is no reason why anyone should accept anything he says as truth now.

Clearly the reason this has come to a head now is because Holly Willoughby doesn’t like him anymore, can’t look him in the face, and therefore cannot share a sofa with him any longer.

Therefore, them co-presenting This Morning was no longer tenable. One of them had to go.

We can all be left to wonder why Holly Willoughby - long-time confidante and friend - doesn’t like him any more.

I mean, it’s such a mystery since he hasn’t actually done anything wrong!?