To think Phillip schofield scandal is homophobia?

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Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor?

He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship.

I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

I’ve seen bits of the interview. I think Phil would have gotten away with this affair if his brother had not been charged and his questionable judgement. I think that was the trigger really rather than due to homophobia. However I would not like anything to happen to Phil and he doesn’t seem to be in a good place at all at the moment.

He knew what the consequences would be. He begged a TikTok influencer not to post a video of PS eating with his young lover. He told him it would end his career. He knew what he was doing. He's not a young man he is in his 60's.

I read on another thread that it's very difficult to get into the entertainment industry because of all the Glitz and glamour. He threw it away and he ruined his reputation. You can feel sorry for him but that's how the industry is and I doubt he will get a second chance.

With his background in TV over forty years and compulsive lies, he is a lot more media savvy than the people defending him on this thread. Their concerns for PS may come from a good place but there are always those who cannot accept that they are easy to manipulate or anybody else is easy to manipulate either.

I don’t think so - it would be the same if it was a girl.

But I am very tired of it dominating the news, when there’s so much else we should be discussing, like the hugely corrupt government.

I don't think PA is a true comparison. First, we don't know for certain that he had sex with the girl. Secondly, assuming he did, she doesn't seem to be a victim in the way that that poor boy is. She's calculating and it's all about money with her.

Eww are you serious. She says she was trafficked and assaulted.

Agree it would not have blown up in the way it has if it wasn’t for his brother

He begged a TikTok influencer not to post a video of PS eating with his young lover. He told him it would end his career. He knew what he was doing. He's not a young man he is in his 60's

I wouldn't believe a think Jack Jones says. A lot of what he has posted is incorrect.

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I've watched the whole interview and I'm on the fence over this.

PS says there was no grooming. It is hard to prove that supporting someone through Twitter to try to get them an introduction into a career, is grooming. The timeline from meeting this young man (at a drama club/school) and him working in TV is 5 years.

Would someone who was gay (and having other gay encounters) really spend 5 years 'grooming' someone for casual sex when he was having it anyway?

This is another way to look at it.

There was /is no suggestion that the man had to have sex with PS to get a job in TV because he was already working in TV before the encounter is PS's dressing room took place. (According to the interview.)

I'm playing devil's advocate here by the way.

The risk to PS was not that he'd be outed as gay but that the other man would out him and say he was groomed/ abused.

Wtf?
that poor girl! Now that was 100% grim and tbh I’m sickened PA is doing better than PS over this.

There is as much evidence for him abusing that girl as there is for PS! He’s PA for god’s sake, if that’s a not abusive then I don’t know what is! And here is the misogyny and homophobia where apparently PS is somehow worse.

Haven’t RTFT but I was actually coming in to make the exact same post OP.

There is NO evidence that Philip Schofield groomed the man in question. We have to accept that not all age gap relationships are a result of grooming - it’s not that black and white.

It’s definitely gross but if Schofield had never come out and had been having an affair with an 18yo girl he’d get slapped on the back and congratulated while she would be called a gold digging slag.

Yet because it’s 2 men people are outraged and are calling for an inquiry!! An inquiry over a workplace affair FFS - they happen ALL the time. It’s 100% homophobia. The disproportionate anger is weird. Schofield could literally cut his hand off live on TV to say sorry and people still wouldn’t be happy.

Also while we’re at why do celebrities issue apologies when they have affairs?! I’m not Schofield wife, he hasn’t cheated on me or anyone here - it’s weird and people who aren’t his wife who expect an apology are weird too.

I know FFS Schofield’s boyfriend wasn’t a sex traffic victim for a start!

Surely it's only grooming if the job in TV was linked to having sex with him?
And according to PS the sex didn't happen until the other man was already working in TV.

PS was clearly having sex with other men at the time (and previously) as AR asked him if this had been his first sexual encounter as a gay man (since acknowledging his sexuality). PS refused to answer, which of course implies it wasn't.

The issue surely with all of this is that in the workplace, relationships between people with more seniority and someone younger are questionable at times, because lines can be crossed with promotion/ demotion depending on how that relationship develops.

If this is the case with PS, fair enough, he did something wrong. But if it's only older man/ younger man then that was unwise perhaps but they were both consenting adults.

Only if they get to know each other in adulthood and there are other options available to both parties but they choose each other in a free choice scenario. Neither was the case here

Wow

Whatever you may think of Jack Jones, he did catch PS in an awkward situation and I'm not surprised PS panicked about this video. When I saw the video, which I've already posted on this thread, but posting again, I was really taken aback by how young this little boy was. He did not look old enough to be drinking the large glass of wine he had in front of him, and that no doubt PS bought for him.

I do feel a bit sad for PS on a human level. He's clearly going through a hard time now and I wouldn't wish suicidal thoughts on anyone at all. But at the same time, I do believe that he's not being honest in that BBC interview. I do think there is much more to it than he states. I also feel he was trying to gain sympathy and maybe(?) over stating the mental health symptoms and trying to play the homophobic card.

Anyway, here's the Jack Jones clip. Assess for yourself. But MM does look about 15 (whether or not he was is irrelevant IMO)

https://fb.watch/kVvWBa0ZC9/

In the video, MM looks excited when Jack Jones arrives! Happy! He's clearly naive and doesn't understand the situation. PS on the other hand looks like he's been caught red handed and he certainly realises the potential implications...

When did you meet her? How do you know her so well?

are you the type of person that believed Robin Williams was fine, happiest guy around, full of life…

until he committed suicide.

You’ve no idea about PAs victim, victims don’t all appear the same, you may be surprised to know!

I'm not sure why you quoted my post to make your out of context to it remarks.

I don't wish suicide as an option on anyone, regardless of what they ought to have known and ought to have done. I am hardly a PS sympathiser, though.

And yet again we gave a self indulgent interview with the BBC. What do his very supportive daughters think about the 'I've lost everything' and the veiled suicide threats in the interview and how his life will have no meaning anymore. He has millions and a family supporting him. Far from loosing everything, just a career at 61 when he can retire just fine. Maybe he can give something back in all the time he now has.

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I don't think PA is a true comparison. First, we don't know for certain that he had sex with the girl. Secondly, assuming he did, she doesn't seem to be a victim in the way that that poor boy is. She's calculating and it's all about money with her.

Your post made me feel absolutely sick.

I hope you stick to your username from now on.

Disgusting.

PS says there was no grooming.

He admits lying about the entire situation previously but now he's an entirely credible source .

I'm really concerned about the minimising at what at best is sleazy behavior but looks like grooming on a parenting site.

I did think it odd the hue and cry was hitting headlines so much - but frankly if that what it takes to stamp out this behavior so everyone understands it's unacceptable and that there are consequences - even delayed ones - then frankly I'm much more understanding about it.

It’s definitely gross but if Schofield had never come out and had been having an affair with an 18yo girl he’d get slapped on the back and congratulated while she would be called a gold digging slag

That's because of disgusting ingrained misogyny in society though. Girls were asking for it etcetc. But I don't agree that he'd be slapped on the back - there would still be a lot of questions about grooming of a young girl before she reached the age of consent. Just as there is outrage when male teachers groom female pupils and run off with them as soon as they are legal.

Yet because it’s 2 men people are outraged and are calling for an inquiry!! An inquiry over a workplace affair FFS - they happen ALL the time. It’s 100% homophobia. The disproportionate anger is weird. Schofield could literally cut his hand off live on TV to say sorry and people still wouldn’t be happy

I don't think it is homophobia. I think it's because a lot of people can see it for what it is - disgusting grooming of a young person before they were legally able to consent.

I know a case of a priest who was sent to prison. He had been having an affair with an 18 year old young man. But it turned out he'd been grooming him from the age of 13 - playing sport together, going round for meals at the priest's house etc, sleeping in the same bed. The priest told a relative of mine he didn't understand what the issue was as "nothing happened" before the legal age of consent. As if that makes the rest of it ok!!! Disgusting.
The same applies to PS.