To think Phillip schofield scandal is homophobia?

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Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor?

He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship.

I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

I mean, search on Facebook.

How big is the undefined area between knowing someone as a little boy whom you were entrusted to safeguard and crossing that line into a long sexual relationship ? I believe that most healthy adults could not do it and would not want to do it. There is no law against it but the change in mental perspective from viewing the younger person as a schoolchild to seeing them as sexually desirable? I do not get it at all.

I mean from the point of view of the powerful celebrity who has men and women throwing themselves at him and is happily married with kids of the same age.

‘Grooming’ doesn’t necessarily involving giving the person anything?

It involves building up a ‘relationship’ (I use that term loosely) and (while) eroding boundaries. Children’s parents can also be groomed.

Very few rapes end in conviction, precisely because it’s so hard to prove in a court of law. There are rarely any witnesses, and the rapist is hardly going to admit it. That doesn’t mean rape doesn’t happen, just because it couldn’t be proved in a court of law.

Exactly this.

• Cheryl wasn't married
• Cheryl didn't have kids
• Cheryl didn't get Liam a job then work closely with him while shagging him secretly the second he became legal
• Cheryl clearly didn't get involved with him until he was an adult, successful and therefore powerful in his own right. Which meant no abuse of power
• Cheryl didn't require him to get paid off to save her own ass, thus no ruining his career in the process
• Cheryl didn't have a hotel shag pad next door to the X factor studios

I mean, we could go on a long time.

Hmmm, not sure I've shut down an important conversation though have I? More opted out of an exchange with a poster who kept attributing things to me that I hadn't said.

You crack on and enjoy yourself. No one here is stopping you

Sources close to his family have said that Stephanie is devastated with the news about the runner and even his daughter, the one that works for YMU, didn’t know until just before he made his statement.

They believed PS when he said MM was a friend. The story in the paper sound believable, but when you think how much stuff is online it’s seems impossible that his manager didn’t know.

Sorry it’s a Mail link- they’re all over this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12149153/EXCLUSIVE-Phillip-Schofields-lies-devastated-trusting-wife-Stephanie-Lowe.html

On Simon Schofield- he went out with MM’s sister for a while and so was likely a family friend who encouraged him to act and join the theatre school- rather than a teacher who became inappropriately friendly with a pupil.

I'm genuinely confused as to why they are still married. Its just bizarre.

Fair enough but what does it matter whether or not PS was married? An affair isn’t nice but not something that is relevant.

@Newnamenewname109870 are you serious? 😄 Of course it's relevant, because poor Cheryl got dragged into this as an equal comparison by the OP! She didn't have an affair along with all the other stuff so it's worth pointing out!

the facts are right in front of you

PS knew this person when he was a child, he helped get him a job in a industry that is v v hard to break into, took him to major events etc other people working on the show didn’t get this special treatment

then he had sexual relations with said person, then said person took a financial settlement to leave TM. It will be interesting to see if that pay off was by ITV or by PS

Oh and PS also knew about his brother as his brother told him what he did

I mean if the kid was going to and from his flat with his driver then surely everyone at the studio knew why!!!

You don't have to be a "Professional victim" (jfc) do realise that there was a lot of homophobia around in the 90s. Including in the law.

I don’t think he is and he’s done nothing illegal. Morally dubious definitely, illegal no.

I'm assuming you mean me. Even after what @Hehehejeiej has said, along with what I have said an others, you still cannot find it within yourself to try and understand a different view point.

There has been different ages suggested but ultimately he was still very young and PS was in a position of power.

I'm glad to hear (assume?) that you have never been in a similar situation but it definitely shows. I have had many conversations on MN and I've been able to give and take, abuse of a young man (despite legal age although who knows?) is something everyone should think about instead of being defensive.

This isn't really about PS, it' about anyone who uses their power to take advantage of someone. THAT is the crux of this.

Is PS wasn't gay and the runner was a female, the outrage would be the same.

Oh dear, far too many baseless assumptions and too much drama there for me I am afraid.

"find it within yourself"

shakes head and backs away

Of course it isn’t. His behaviour would be equally deplorable if a 19 year old female were involved.

It’s ridiculous how some people are defending this man

he has done wrong and he is now reaping what he sows

ITV and his own (ex) co-star obviously don’t think they’re ‘baseless accusations’, but by all means keep insisting they are, and sticking up for poor old wronged Pip. I’m sure he’s ever so grateful to you.

It seems that a ruined career/financial repercussions is one of the few deterrents to this kind of predatory behaviour by wealthy and powerful men.
I hope that MM is OK and has support irl especially if he still works at ITV.

I think the reaction would have been the same if the victim had been a young woman. However, that young man was even more vulnerable. He was very young when he met PS and at an age when many young people are confused about or experimenting with their sexuality. Again and again the advice given to teenagers is to take their time working things out and not to feel pressured into labelling themselves as straight or gay. Therefore any decent adult would leave such people alone and let them decide for themselves. I'd also add that PS himself took a long time to fully decide. It's almost a kind of double grooming. I hope this boy finds happiness with a boy of his own age.