To think Phillip schofield scandal is homophobia?

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Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor?

He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship.

I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

Because the gay community looks different at pedophiles and child molesters then it does at twinks and older men. If this was a pedophiles lair - it wouldn't have been a place where everyone hung out and had their gay fun. Back in the day exact age probably wasn't as carefully checked - and teens have said they were older than they are since the beginning of time! In the last 10-15 years, age matters a lot more and I am sure given his position as a public figure, PS would probably have been more careful just as everyone was being more careful.

Maybe it will come out that he has been molesting young boys for 30 years. I am just saying there is no evidence of this as of yet.

What are the facts then?

No one knows when or how he met him, or how much contact they had online or in real life. It is all just speculation.

The runner's family had been in the acting community for a while. His older sister was an actor on TV shows when the runner was young and is the person the runner said was his role model for acting in an interview. He has also said Simon was his mentor and Simon and Philip have been friends for a very long time. There are lots of pictures online of Simon and the runner and a few of Simon, Philip, and the runner - some with or without Simon's girlfriend / wife / ex-wife so they clearly were all in the same places and spaces over the years.

Simon may have his own stories to tell. We just don't know.

The difference between him and c&l

• age difference is much bigger
• while when they met she could have been a position of power over them, there was indication of any tomantic interest at that point and theh then had a fairly long period when they did their own thing
• he wasn't working for her or had any current professional links when they actually got together
• neither of them were married to other people when the affair was going on

-it wasn't kept a secret from everyone around them, even when amazement specifically asked

• she didn't make him sign a non disclosure agreement!

Also while there wasn't as much of an outcry people definitely did make comments about Cheryl and Liam

That's a really strange way of looking at it. The only connection between PS and the boy was that the boy was enrolled in a theatre school run by PS's best friend. My best friend is a teacher and I've never met her students. Her students are certainly not "children who are in my life."

Simon should not have been having any kind of relationship with his underage students outside of the school. There are weird photos and inappropriate social media posts between Simon and his child students.

It's also quite weird that PS's "best friend" is a man 22 years younger than him, and they met when PS was in his 30s and Simon was only 12.

Grooming doesn't mean abusing. It doesn't mean being a paedophile. It means creating relationships and trust so that noone questions what is happening. So the victim consents. And their family. That's literally the whole point, to become a trusted friend who helps. Many people are groomed but not then abused by the groomer, maybe they are likely to tell etc. Adults can be groomed by people with power over them, like Monica L and Bill Clinton.

I don’t think it’s homophobia but I did think there might be some double standards in terms of age gaps when I read about Al Pacino (83) having a baby with girlfriend (29) recently.

I think the issue here is the relative age when they met, question mark over grooming throughout teens, power imbalance as work colleagues and the age the man was when the affair occurred.

I do feel all of this has got rather conflated with the brothers crimes/sentencing. And that the whole “coming out on tv” thing was overblown.

Arguably it would have been better for all involved to have admitted the affair at the time and held hands up to improper conduct.

I don’t think the current feeding frenzy in the press is at all helpful to the young man. And I really feel for him, everyone knows who he is but no one knows his opinion on events.

Exactly. MM is only the tip of the iceberg. There are loads more. The word “ring” springs to mind.

On the other hand if I was a young gay man wanting to get a foothold in showbiz I’d probably nosh off Philip, no problem. He’s a good looking man. Kevin Lygo on the other hand, I’d have to REALLY want fame.

As I said. He was forced into coming out. The papers were going to print about his relationship. He gave them the exclusive coming out story instead.

Honestly what's been reported is a tiny fraction of the story.

How do you know what their connection was or what the relationship between Simon, his girlfriend / wife and the runner was? Or the connection between them and the runner's family as a whole?

Maybe Simon and his girlfriend were friends with runners parents? or maybe runner's older sister was a close friend of Simon's girlfriend or Simon (they are around the same age).

Who knows. You don't. I don't. We can't say this is what was happening or this was not happening based on what you make up!

It is factual that PS visited MM's theatre school when he did in May of 2011. It is true we don't know if he met MM years earlier at the school.

But it seems you have had a personality transplant or entered a fugue state since you wrote this on another thread, less than a week ago:

"Phil used to also do a lot of messaging with young teens on Snapchat, keeping conversations going for years with teen boys as young as 14. He has always said this was just him connecting with his fans, and the posted chats are not inappropriate or sexual in content but why does a 50-60 year old man keep in touch for years with 14 and up year old boys."

And I’d like you to know I have no desire or wish that this boy was groomed or abused. That is a disgusting comment.

I agree. He used a flat in that immediate area because he was not the only one getting up to exactly the same activities around that postcode. It is a notorious area for all that. It is hard to see how there could not be crossovers now and again.

As for people saying it is an ITV problem, I'd award top prize to the BBC by a long margin.

Is Kevin Lygo gay?

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Who's Kevin Lygo?

Yes, I did post that. And I put in the post you just quoted that Simon may have his own stories to tell. And I mentioned the snapchats earlier in this thread too.

None of that misaligns with anything else I have said. We don't know what happened or didn't happen. I have never said he hasn't done anything wrong or that I think he is great.

I have said that the runner is a real live person with a real life experience - we can't recreate that life experience based on pure speculation. We don't know or what did or didn't happen. It is his story to tell or someone else will share facts at some point. I am not going to join in this frenzy that has left facts by the wayside and is disregarding the person at the center of this who is now being treated like a fictional character where everyone can make up their own version of his life.

We don't know that the boy isn't secretly an alien deposited on earth during the Roswell incident and that Simon wasn't entrusted by Fox Mulder to look after him because his DNA holds the secret to humanity surviving the upcoming infinity wars.

We don't know that the boy isn't secretly the heir to the throne of Genovia, and that's why he was singled out.

Let's not invent completely made up hypotheticals out of thin air to defend pedophilia, shall we?

Then don't create salacious details about a real person when you have no idea what happened.

'Teen' is a commonly searched phrased on porn sites with heterosexual males (bear with me and I'll try find the article).

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It's just perverts who lust after individuals who look barely legal.

My brother and one of my male best friends are gay. Both have only had relationships with people roughly their own age so I find your comment quite offensive. Not all gay men are sexual predators who prey on teens.

Don't be ridiculous 😲 and that's the ONLY reason Scofield came out,so people would do exactly what you are doing and pkaybthe homophobic card 😡

No. His sexuality is nothing to do with it. The fact that he's a predatory arsehole is the issue.

*play the homophobic card

I never said all gay men. I am sure if you ask your brother or friend, they will have heard of 'twinks'.

It's about the balance of power. If a 17 year old millionaire with lots of business connections, who is of sound mind wants to get in a relationship with someone vastly older then fine. But you don't often see that happen do you. Its always some rich or powerful old creep taking advantage of someone far younger.

As for Cheryl Cole I still find that uncomfortable. By the time they got together he was far more successful than she had ever been but who want to get into a relationship with someone who they knew as a child.

I think people should be careful using race, sexuality, gender etc to shut down any criticism of people who have acted badly. The reason that the gangs of men in greater Manchester got away with grooming young girls for so long was partly due to police fearing they would be called racist.