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To spread awareness of the toxicity of plastic grass?

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DataNotLore · 28/05/2023 16:46

Here: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35948114/#:~:text=Numerous%20studies%20have%20shown%20that,%2C%20mutagens%2C%20and%20endocrine%20disruptors.

Not only is it bad for the environment but it's probably bad for your health too.

The issues are still being investigated, but:

"Numerous studies have shown that chemicals identified in artificial turf, including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), phthalates, and per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS), are known carcinogens, neurotoxicants, mutagens, and endocrine disruptors."

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faffadoodledo · 29/05/2023 13:09

@HeckyPeck agree about the yellow rattle. It's key. And also very pretty!

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 13:09

HeckyPeck · 29/05/2023 13:08

Do you really want toxins leeching out when you already have health problems though?

Paving would be much safer.

And could also work as a base for a lovely container garden.

towrag · 29/05/2023 13:11

I cannot afford the hundreds of pounds to get it paved, the fake grass is costing around £100, no brainer

towrag · 29/05/2023 13:13

and yes I hate insects, every time I go outside in the summer the little blighters seem to attack me, whether its wasps and bees buzzing round my head or being bitten my mozzies, urrgh it is not relaxing at all.

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 13:13

towrag · 29/05/2023 13:11

I cannot afford the hundreds of pounds to get it paved, the fake grass is costing around £100, no brainer

It is costing far more than that sadly.

Cantstaystuckforever · 29/05/2023 13:14

Honestly - I'd LOVE to have artificial grass. Hate mowing, hate mud.

But it's terrible not just for ourselves but for others - all those chemicals and microplastic particles run off into the water system, and while grass isn't the most sustainable choice, it's certainly better than a plastic carpet.

I see why in some places it makes sense, but in private gardens don't see why it's allowed. It's not like there aren't alternatives that are neither grass nor plastic.

Lockheart · 29/05/2023 13:15

towrag · 29/05/2023 13:13

and yes I hate insects, every time I go outside in the summer the little blighters seem to attack me, whether its wasps and bees buzzing round my head or being bitten my mozzies, urrgh it is not relaxing at all.

Without insects our food chain would collapse and you'd starve.

DataNotLore · 29/05/2023 13:16

towrag · 29/05/2023 13:11

I cannot afford the hundreds of pounds to get it paved, the fake grass is costing around £100, no brainer

You do know it'll be full of weeds in a year?

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faffadoodledo · 29/05/2023 13:18

I get bitten by mozzies @towrag
They adore me. But still.... they're not a huge problem in the uk are they? Yet.. unless our ecosystem gets trashed. Oh wait..!

chupachucks · 29/05/2023 13:25

towrag · 29/05/2023 13:11

I cannot afford the hundreds of pounds to get it paved, the fake grass is costing around £100, no brainer

Yep no brainer good job for your £100 the microplastic pollution, poor biodegradability, toxicological properties, and negative impact on aquatic and terrestrial organisms including humans is not an issue to you.

After all it not like it's going to leech into the environment, soils, ground water or get into the food chain is it.

It's not like micro and nano plastic debris enters the aquatic environment via your £100 plastic lawn. Where they directly enter other water bodies, creating bio accumulation into human food and water.

yep all is good crack on for your £100.

DontGoThereYet · 29/05/2023 13:25

The important message gets lost in the smug worthy preaching of the privileged.

Some of the sanctimony on this thread makes me want to dig up the natural grass in our garden and cover it in plastic!

No message is ever effective when delivered with a dollop of judgement. Basic psychology.

chupachucks · 29/05/2023 13:30

DontGoThereYet · 29/05/2023 13:25

The important message gets lost in the smug worthy preaching of the privileged.

Some of the sanctimony on this thread makes me want to dig up the natural grass in our garden and cover it in plastic!

No message is ever effective when delivered with a dollop of judgement. Basic psychology.

Sorry I didn't realise wanting clean water and an uninfected food chain containing microplastics that have been bioaccumulation from all the various sources of this stuff is a privilege issue.

The rich must be getting supplied with direct water and natural food sources than the rest of us. They must be breathing premium air also that is not available to us mere poor people.

Ps I'm not privileged by any standards I'm just informed and not ignorant of my will full damage for the want and yes it's just a want not a need for a plastic polluting green artificial lawn.

DataNotLore · 29/05/2023 13:35

DontGoThereYet · 29/05/2023 13:25

The important message gets lost in the smug worthy preaching of the privileged.

Some of the sanctimony on this thread makes me want to dig up the natural grass in our garden and cover it in plastic!

No message is ever effective when delivered with a dollop of judgement. Basic psychology.

Nose, face.

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kethuphouse · 29/05/2023 13:41

There are thousands of every day products poisoning us all. Plastic grass is the least of my concerns. I get sprayed in the face by someone’s revolting deodorant every day in the gym changing room. People like convenience and plastic grass is convenient. As is deodorant. I cannot get worked up about all the toxins in our environment or I’d forever be terrified of the effects of it all.

DontGoThereYet · 29/05/2023 13:43

DataNotLore · 29/05/2023 13:35

Nose, face.

Well of course I am not going to do that. I dislike fake grass.

But for someone who apparently wants to ‘spread awareness’, you haven’t a clue how to reach the largest number of people with your judgy and sanctimonious approach.

Educational campaigns work best when they are neutral, factual, explain how easy it is to achieve small wins, and explain how every action can have a positive effect. Discuss different options, cost-benefits and tangible rewards. With some understanding why others choose fake grass and discuss alternatives in a sensitive and reflective way. I have seen it done.

People who preach and criticise rarely achieve their aims.

Better luck next time.

DontGoThereYet · 29/05/2023 13:45

chupachucks · 29/05/2023 13:30

Sorry I didn't realise wanting clean water and an uninfected food chain containing microplastics that have been bioaccumulation from all the various sources of this stuff is a privilege issue.

The rich must be getting supplied with direct water and natural food sources than the rest of us. They must be breathing premium air also that is not available to us mere poor people.

Ps I'm not privileged by any standards I'm just informed and not ignorant of my will full damage for the want and yes it's just a want not a need for a plastic polluting green artificial lawn.

Some people have explained why they don’t have the time, ability or soil etc to have natural grass. Why not actually listen in a sympathetic way and discuss options rather than just preach. It has better results.

JupiterFortified · 29/05/2023 13:46

Aside from any other issues I just think fake grass looks shite.

TedMullins · 29/05/2023 14:02

Wow I had no idea it was poisonous. I massively judge people with artificial grass already for being tacky and basic and after this thread will add ignorant to the list.

chupachucks · 29/05/2023 14:07

DontGoThereYet · 29/05/2023 13:45

Some people have explained why they don’t have the time, ability or soil etc to have natural grass. Why not actually listen in a sympathetic way and discuss options rather than just preach. It has better results.

Also a majority of people post on here with glee and sarcasm defending there purchase. I'm not here to win them over I'm here to point out how wrong they are if they listen fine if they don't I'm under no illusion they won't change their minds, not my job to educate these people.

TheHandmaiden · 29/05/2023 14:09

It's always the same thing, I want it to look nice but I don't want to make any effort.

Okay. Just stop pretending you aren't selfish and lazy. Or saying you haven't got money. Grass seed is cheap. Gravel is cheap. Plastic grass is ecologically very expensive.

DataNotLore · 29/05/2023 14:21

@DontGoThereYet

I think you're confusing me with a government dept, easy mistake to make I know.

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DataNotLore · 29/05/2023 14:22

@chupachucks

The general defence to having plastic crass, seems to be Fuck You.

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verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 14:25

mumofteenss · 29/05/2023 13:09

I live in a council property with no garden, but have a 15'x18' concreted area to the front. Its fenced off and not on a public footpath and not over looked. I was planning to put the artificial grass down to make it look nice and turn it into a useable space, and add pots for plants and flowers around the edge. My property isnt ground level, ripping up the concrete is not an option.

What are the alternatives? The big concreted area even with pots is not nice to look at, i want a nice area to sit in in summer?

When we had a yard like this we made a lawn in a sandpit and put white gravel and pots round the outside plus a bench and chair. It was a lovely little courtyard to sit in.

DontGoThereYet · 29/05/2023 14:25

DataNotLore · 29/05/2023 14:21

@DontGoThereYet

I think you're confusing me with a government dept, easy mistake to make I know.

You are the one who wanted to ‘spread awareness’. You made that grandiose statement all by yourself. Same principles apply, whether it’s a public health message or trying to convince a group of friends.

DontGoThereYet · 29/05/2023 14:27

chupachucks · 29/05/2023 14:07

Also a majority of people post on here with glee and sarcasm defending there purchase. I'm not here to win them over I'm here to point out how wrong they are if they listen fine if they don't I'm under no illusion they won't change their minds, not my job to educate these people.

True it’s not your job. It would be a nice ‘by-product’ of your comments surely though, if someone eschewed plastic grass and went natural after feeling informed and not patronised or lectured by your posts.