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Schofield saga-to think this is all very odd?

325 replies

Howwindyisittoday · 28/05/2023 16:39

It’s very confusing.
Rumours have been circulating for three years, even I knew the rumours, how on earth did Holly and others not?
He says there was no injunction, so the boy could have spoken out at any time..so why is it all coming out now?? Why has Holly suddenly distanced herself, why have itv got rid of him now?
They've now said the boy was 15 when they met (sure was younger?) and nothing happened until he was older, nothing illegal but still massively wrong. But if there is nothing illegal and they all knew about it…why now?
Why has P.S been so willing to go along with it this week?

This feels like a cover up for something much much worse?

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Freeballing · 28/05/2023 20:50

IncomingTraffic · 28/05/2023 20:21

In fact, I think the ‘don’t talk about schofield’s predatory behaviour because his victim deserve privacy’ angle on things is a particularly interesting deflection. Schofield brought him into the spotlight.

Admittedly, I may be the only person on the internet who actually doesn’t know who this young man is - beyond some initials people use on threads. Because I am actually not interested in interrogating any of that.

I think the focus should remain on Schofield’s actions.

Honestly, fuck off. You couldn't give a shite. It isn't deflection to think of the victim. The victim is the most important person in this case. They matter. If the victim was anonymous I would have no issue but he isn't. He is a real person. Not some pawn in your fucking bingo game.

IncomingTraffic · 28/05/2023 20:50

JuneShitfield · 28/05/2023 20:48

Good grief, you’ve actually just played the ‘victims don’t matter’ hand.

So when Jess Phillips reads out in parliament the names of all the women who’ve been murdered by a man or men, their names don’t matter? She’s wasting her time, is she?

Fucking hell.

I think you’ve misunderstood. The victims DO matter.

But right now, shifting the focus to the victim’s identity seems to be of a benefit to PS.

So let’s focus on him and his actions. Because the victims do matter.

IncomingTraffic · 28/05/2023 20:53

Seriously, I hope Schofield is paying his comms team very well.

They’re doing an amazing job of ensuring everyone on the internet is getting angry at each other rather than focusing on a very powerful man grooming young men.

The bingo card is related to identifying the million ways of deflecting discussion away from Schofield’s actions.

OCarumba · 28/05/2023 20:53

JuneShitfield · 28/05/2023 20:48

Good grief, you’ve actually just played the ‘victims don’t matter’ hand.

So when Jess Phillips reads out in parliament the names of all the women who’ve been murdered by a man or men, their names don’t matter? She’s wasting her time, is she?

Fucking hell.

What a load of nonsense. The two examples don’t compare in any way. This person is alive, and condemning PS’s behaviour doesn’t need to mean that someone else’s name – an innocent party – is discussed. That person is able to speak publicly if they wish, and as yet, they have chosen not to.

What a moronic comment.

Happyher · 28/05/2023 20:55

In no way am I condoning this type of thing, but I’m pretty sure it goes off everyday in the entertainment industry so I’m not sure why we are making such a fuss. How many young aspiring stars fall in to bed with older men (or maybe women) in search of success. Why is anyone surprised?

JuneShitfield · 28/05/2023 20:58

IncomingTraffic · 28/05/2023 20:50

I think you’ve misunderstood. The victims DO matter.

But right now, shifting the focus to the victim’s identity seems to be of a benefit to PS.

So let’s focus on him and his actions. Because the victims do matter.

Stop backpedaling! You literally said the victim’s name didn’t matter. And now you’re saying it doesn’t matter because it does really matter. Which makes no sense.

I have personal experience of being the victim of a very serious sexual crime and you have just said that I and people like me don’t matter, purely it seems in order to score points against a famous bloke off the telly. It’s grotesque.

It isn’t obfuscating or deflecting to centre the victim in all of this. Focusing on the victim does not benefit the perpetrator.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 20:59

JuneShitfield · 28/05/2023 20:48

Good grief, you’ve actually just played the ‘victims don’t matter’ hand.

So when Jess Phillips reads out in parliament the names of all the women who’ve been murdered by a man or men, their names don’t matter? She’s wasting her time, is she?

Fucking hell.

TWAW JP?

Not the got you, you think, the list is made by someone else and Jess added to it, she is not very well respected for truth or safeguarding by many people.

Rollonannualeave · 28/05/2023 21:00

Do we think he also groomed Holly's family or indeed holly herself?

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 21:04

The inquiry, as one will likely happen, will go over who was groomed.

Any celeb or influencer involved with any of the Schofi eld family, I would not let my child in their home or use them as a babysitter.

OCarumba · 28/05/2023 21:05

Happyher · 28/05/2023 20:55

In no way am I condoning this type of thing, but I’m pretty sure it goes off everyday in the entertainment industry so I’m not sure why we are making such a fuss. How many young aspiring stars fall in to bed with older men (or maybe women) in search of success. Why is anyone surprised?

You’re asking why aren’t we all more desensitised already?

Funnily enough, I think as a society we’re speaking up more and becoming less tolerant of shitty behaviour – homophobia, misogyny, predatory behaviour in the entertainment industry (Weinstein, #metoo, Noel Clarke, Tim Westwood, could go on). Which is a good thing, surely?

Berlioze · 28/05/2023 21:06

Having read an article today on the Daily Mail (I know, I know - however, this was a rather comprehensive article in all fairness) is that it's extremely odd that PS allegedly paid for the boy's lawyers, Mishcon de Reya. He instructed them on behalf of the boy in question according to the Mail.

I think most solicitors will have a number of thoughts on this, myself included, but won't share them publicly at this stage. My instinct is there is far more to come out in due course.

Rollonannualeave · 28/05/2023 21:07

Any celeb or influencer involved with any of the Schofi eld family, I would not let my child in their home or use them as a babysitter

Holly and family went on holiday with Phil didn't she. She must be reflecting on all that now.

IncomingTraffic · 28/05/2023 21:11

JuneShitfield · 28/05/2023 20:58

Stop backpedaling! You literally said the victim’s name didn’t matter. And now you’re saying it doesn’t matter because it does really matter. Which makes no sense.

I have personal experience of being the victim of a very serious sexual crime and you have just said that I and people like me don’t matter, purely it seems in order to score points against a famous bloke off the telly. It’s grotesque.

It isn’t obfuscating or deflecting to centre the victim in all of this. Focusing on the victim does not benefit the perpetrator.

Look, I don’t think YOU are willing to actually read what I am writing.

The victim does matter. But focusing on him and his name at this point is just playing into the distraction tactics. And inviting victim blaming in various ways. that’s NOT centring the victim.

Indeed, your scoring points off a famous bloke comment tells me a lot about how sincere your concern for the victim
actually is. ‘Centre the victim’ as a way of not talking about the important man is pretty incredible as a position.

don’t assume that other people are not also victims of serious sexual abuse. Because you have absolutely no idea.

OCarumba · 28/05/2023 21:12

JuneShitfield · 28/05/2023 20:58

Stop backpedaling! You literally said the victim’s name didn’t matter. And now you’re saying it doesn’t matter because it does really matter. Which makes no sense.

I have personal experience of being the victim of a very serious sexual crime and you have just said that I and people like me don’t matter, purely it seems in order to score points against a famous bloke off the telly. It’s grotesque.

It isn’t obfuscating or deflecting to centre the victim in all of this. Focusing on the victim does not benefit the perpetrator.

She said the victim’s name doesn’t need to be discussed, not that the victim doesn’t matter.

Either you genuinely didn’t spot this, or are arguing cynically.

It is precisely because the victim here does matter that the focus should be on PS’s actions rather than the victim’s identity. If they choose to come forward that is up to them, which should be respected.

Vinvertebrate · 28/05/2023 21:13

@Berlioze I think I read the same article and was also curious about how MdR’s representation worked. It seems he went a little off-script and made PS lies untenable - that groveling letter to the Mail was excruciating.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 21:13

Have you seen the names in the two management lists and how those parents show their children on Instagram?

If the talent have the same treatment RL, EH had at work and you have seen on TM threads, they will be very complaint, as these tactics clearly are tried and tested. I know SS in particular and JS both speak publicly and said how very greedy she is for money and hates spending it, so there is a huge motivation there for her there, for example.

Berlioze · 28/05/2023 21:16

Vinvertebrate · 28/05/2023 21:13

@Berlioze I think I read the same article and was also curious about how MdR’s representation worked. It seems he went a little off-script and made PS lies untenable - that groveling letter to the Mail was excruciating.

100% agree.

IncomingTraffic · 28/05/2023 21:17

I’ll note that I have been criticised both for not shutting up about Philip Schofield behaving dreadfully because the victim deserves his privacy and for not focusing on the victim’s identity in the last hour.

Anything to avoid talking about an extremely powerful man (off the telly) behaving badly, eh?

OCarumba · 28/05/2023 21:19

IncomingTraffic · 28/05/2023 21:17

I’ll note that I have been criticised both for not shutting up about Philip Schofield behaving dreadfully because the victim deserves his privacy and for not focusing on the victim’s identity in the last hour.

Anything to avoid talking about an extremely powerful man (off the telly) behaving badly, eh?

It’s very weird – who in their right mind would be arguing that what we should be focusing on right now is the victim’s name.

namitynamechange · 28/05/2023 21:21

user1471453601 · 28/05/2023 20:41

How about this?

Man, 29, meets girl, 16. Massive power difference. He is very powerful, her, not so much.

four years later, he married her, but when asked if he loves her replied "whatever love is".
I wouldn't defend Schofield at all, but there is a very similar case much more visible to the public eye which has rarely been commented on.

Rarely commented on????
That marriage and its breakdown has probably been one off the most commentated on of all time

Startyabastard · 28/05/2023 21:24

Happyher · 28/05/2023 20:55

In no way am I condoning this type of thing, but I’m pretty sure it goes off everyday in the entertainment industry so I’m not sure why we are making such a fuss. How many young aspiring stars fall in to bed with older men (or maybe women) in search of success. Why is anyone surprised?

👋key difference: young and YOUNGER.
Below the age of 16 is off limits, a 19 year old dating a 50 year old is legal but unsavory to many, including myself.
Is it that difficultto understand???!! 🙄

Inkanta · 28/05/2023 21:24

Anything to avoid talking about an extremely powerful man (off the telly) behaving badly, eh

Yes indeed - a very powerful man. It's required the public and press to turn on him and ITVs non existent code of ethics. So who has power now. Not PS thank god.

Hadjab · 28/05/2023 21:34

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 16:53

If Holly can't safeguard did to bring dim/lack of training/selfish or whatever - at home or work should she be an influencer on Instagram or TV, because if she can't there she can't safeguard the public?

???

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 21:36

Imagine being a frazzled Mum client dealing with this? You can see how they would over time become compliant to management.

There really needs to be an inquiry as these influencers are an issue with the public in turn.

Flunkey · 28/05/2023 21:36

MM's story will be worth ££££££

It's only a matter of time before we hear it. He has already lost so much privacy and I'm certain he will be recieving many offers right now.

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