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Sayhellolikethis · 2023-05-28T14:06:21+00:00

Name changed, as I’ve told MIL and DSis about this already… Putting my little boy (just turned 4) to bed and he told me “I built 60 bridges during the war and I also built a bomb”. I asked him why he built a bomb and he said “I put 2 bombs on each of my bridges to protect them”. He also said “the factories were covered in camouflage”. He then added “and a fighter jet plane falled to the ground”. It was such a ramble of words and then he just wanted to snuggle down and go to sleep. Has anyone else had a similar experience with their little ones? He won’t talk about it any further. Puzzled!!

Frabbits · 29/05/2023 08:44

barmycatmum · 29/05/2023 06:38

Yes, I do.
the people quacking on about being “scientifically minded” and then proceeding to behave in a very unscientific manner in this thread are hilarious.

science is not about knowing, you jackasses. It’s about curiosity and testing. Many theories held for a time and then were disproven. Many theories are still holding - none of it is fucking certain.

god , sometimes I completely despair of the human race.

Sure. Sure.

Raggletagglegypsy · 29/05/2023 08:45

Peverellshire · 28/05/2023 23:37

All the examples on the thread are re: dramatic deaths and lives, the odds are for the most part, the lives and deaths would be pretty banal.

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But our memories are naturally skewed towards unusual events - we tend not to remember the mundane parts of our life in detail. Surely, it stands to reason that - if you experience a "dramatic" death, it is more likely to imprint as a powerful memory - perhaps powerful enough for that experience to imprint elsewhere.
I have long thought that, in considering the so-called 'mind-body problem', it is ridiculously simplistic to presume that thoughts are necessarily contained, confined and defined by the physical body - at an atomic (or subatomic) level, how easy is it to defined where what we have regarded as a material entity begins and ends? I have experienced shared thoughts and anticipated others actions on so many occasions - and in too much detail - for it to be deemed as due to chance alone. What if thoughts (as electrical impulses, or whatever) are signals that can be picked up and read (ie communicated) by anyone who is receptive?
As to those looking for 'evidence' of past lives - what do you think that evidence would realistically look like? I would say, pretty much like the fragmented, interesting and incongruous snippets of information voiced by children in the ways already described. Parents instinctively know the difference between imaginative, creative ramblings and something which needs more explanation.
If we only accepted as real that which could be scientifically proven, we would risk the most meaningful aspects of our lives being categorised as fictional!

Peverellshire · 29/05/2023 08:51

Raggletagglegypsy · 29/05/2023 08:45

But our memories are naturally skewed towards unusual events - we tend not to remember the mundane parts of our life in detail. Surely, it stands to reason that - if you experience a "dramatic" death, it is more likely to imprint as a powerful memory - perhaps powerful enough for that experience to imprint elsewhere.
I have long thought that, in considering the so-called 'mind-body problem', it is ridiculously simplistic to presume that thoughts are necessarily contained, confined and defined by the physical body - at an atomic (or subatomic) level, how easy is it to defined where what we have regarded as a material entity begins and ends? I have experienced shared thoughts and anticipated others actions on so many occasions - and in too much detail - for it to be deemed as due to chance alone. What if thoughts (as electrical impulses, or whatever) are signals that can be picked up and read (ie communicated) by anyone who is receptive?
As to those looking for 'evidence' of past lives - what do you think that evidence would realistically look like? I would say, pretty much like the fragmented, interesting and incongruous snippets of information voiced by children in the ways already described. Parents instinctively know the difference between imaginative, creative ramblings and something which needs more explanation.
If we only accepted as real that which could be scientifically proven, we would risk the most meaningful aspects of our lives being categorised as fictional!

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Possibly & I agree ‘there is more in heaven & earth’…

However, not everyone can have been ‘Mary Queen of Scots’. Etc. A child’s description is different, have you seen the doc on a boys ‘past life’ on the Scottish island?

I think we don’t understand the concept of ‘time’ & how everything might happen all at once & somehow this factors in.

alwaysmovingforwards · 29/05/2023 08:56

Iyiyiiii · 28/05/2023 15:28

Nope, I personally think it's a load of twaddle

Same here.

But I'm also fine that others believe, you do you etc.

Iyiyiiii · 29/05/2023 08:58

alwaysmovingforwards · 29/05/2023 08:56

Same here.

But I'm also fine that others believe, you do you etc.

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I think it's most likely a form of split personality to be honest

My dm swears she sees ghosts,but again it's more likely to be her mind playing tricks on her

Raggletagglegypsy · 29/05/2023 09:01

@Peverellshire No - I haven't seen the Scottish Island documentary - I will try to find it, thanks! 😊

Peverellshire · 29/05/2023 09:05

Raggletagglegypsy · 29/05/2023 09:01

@Peverellshire No - I haven't seen the Scottish Island documentary - I will try to find it, thanks! 😊

Linked up thread :)

Raggletagglegypsy · 29/05/2023 09:07

Peverellshire · 29/05/2023 09:05

Linked up thread :)

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Thank you so much - I have found it - bookmarked for this evening, and I am looking forward to watching it. Have a lovely day! 😊

Longdarkcloud · 29/05/2023 09:24

@Peverellshire What is the film called and which channel is it on, please?
When my DC started to tell me these things the hairs literally went upon my neck. I do not believe a very young child imagines themselves as the mother of an adult son. Nor did she continue to recount imaginative stories when she was older. I just accepted and didn’t question because that seemed to be the correct thing to do.

musixa · 29/05/2023 09:25

Longdarkcloud · 29/05/2023 09:24

@Peverellshire What is the film called and which channel is it on, please?
When my DC started to tell me these things the hairs literally went upon my neck. I do not believe a very young child imagines themselves as the mother of an adult son. Nor did she continue to recount imaginative stories when she was older. I just accepted and didn’t question because that seemed to be the correct thing to do.

It's on YouTube - Extraordinary People: The Boy Who Lived Before.

violetcuriosity · 29/05/2023 09:27

ToParentOrNotToParent · 28/05/2023 20:01

The holographic principle in quantum mechanics sounds utterly woowoo at first glance, but is very much real and being researched by award winning physicists.

There is an awful lot we don't know or understand yet.

This. I'm not really 'woo' but absolutely accept that there is such a lot we don't know about yet. I quite like the idea of there being another aspect that we don't know and understand yet

Peverellshire · 29/05/2023 10:04

violetcuriosity · 29/05/2023 09:27

This. I'm not really 'woo' but absolutely accept that there is such a lot we don't know about yet. I quite like the idea of there being another aspect that we don't know and understand yet

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There is certainly more to learn & things are not always as they may seem.

The idea that we might be ‘Sims’ with consciousness is almost plausible. Especially as we’re not that far away from perhaps creating these ourselves..

If so, are we a science project? An ancestor simulation or an experiment to see how long it takes us to destroy ourselves.

Some have ‘power ups’ & ‘level up’ & poss return to the ‘game’.

Where are the aliens if we are as it all seems?

CurlewKate · 29/05/2023 10:12

@violetcuriosity "This. I'm not really 'woo' but absolutely accept that there is such a lot we don't know about yet."

That's not woo. That's science.

Againstmachine · 29/05/2023 10:20

science is not about knowing, you jackasses. It’s about curiosity and testing.

But science isn't about making shit up because of things you don't understand that usually have logical explanations.

Making shit up like past lifes isn't science.

Createausername1970 · 29/05/2023 10:43

Owlglasses · 28/05/2023 20:32

@Againstmachine

We are living on modern world we shouldn't be believing this woowoo.

Why shouldn't people believe in this? What harm do you think it does?

I'm genuinely interested in the people who are so brutally derogatory about believers on threads like this and also threads about ghosts. It would be possible just to say no, I don't believe, but there is a real vehemence about the need to put down posters who believe and crush their argument. Why is that?

Because they can, with no comeback other than on here.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 29/05/2023 10:49

HermioneWeasley · 28/05/2023 19:12

@teabycandlelight i believe they are sincere but mistaken as are people who think they’ve had an accurate psychic reading or religious experience. The point is that what is being claimed doesn’t just require knowledge we don’t have now (people from the Middle Ages seeing an aeroplane) but it is in direct contradiction to all our knowledge of how brains and memory works - it requires a supernatural explanation that works completely differently to everything we know but only sometimes. I do not have to be open minded about that any more than I have to be open minded about the existence of magic, fairies or Thor.

I've met Thor. Not too bright. Bad temper. Needed a bath.

CecilyP · 29/05/2023 10:55

However, not everyone can have been ‘Mary Queen of Scots’. Etc. A child’s description is different, have you seen the doc on a boys ‘past life’ on the Scottish island?

I have! Cute little boy, but that’s 45 minutes of my life that I’ll never get back!

Peverellshire · 29/05/2023 11:42

CecilyP · 29/05/2023 10:55

However, not everyone can have been ‘Mary Queen of Scots’. Etc. A child’s description is different, have you seen the doc on a boys ‘past life’ on the Scottish island?

I have! Cute little boy, but that’s 45 minutes of my life that I’ll never get back!

Are you a convert ;)

CurlewKate · 29/05/2023 11:48

I think it's important because it's not good for a society to believe in stuff with no basis in fact. Or to say whatever you believe is fine, even it it's patently rubbish. That's how we get, for example, Covid deniers. Critical thinking is SOOO important to our well being as a species.

CecilyP · 29/05/2023 12:10

Are you a convert ;)

Er no! The story’s pure Katie-Morag. I felt sorry for the brother who was only getting a fraction of the attention!

Peverellshire · 29/05/2023 12:45

CecilyP · 29/05/2023 12:10

Are you a convert ;)

Er no! The story’s pure Katie-Morag. I felt sorry for the brother who was only getting a fraction of the attention!

Lol. :) Are there any well documented, plausible examples?

Rollonannualeave · 29/05/2023 12:48

Those who keep going on about science, please read some quantum physics and then come back here. Some of the people banging on about science have no scientific training and can't even use grammar accurately.

CurlewKate · 29/05/2023 13:19

@Rollonannualeave "Those who keep going on about science, please read some quantum physics and then come back here"
OK-what would you like to talk about?

TwoFluffyDogsOnMyBed · 29/05/2023 13:29

Rollonannualeave · 29/05/2023 12:48

Those who keep going on about science, please read some quantum physics and then come back here. Some of the people banging on about science have no scientific training and can't even use grammar accurately.

Haha that’s what I thought….would a qualified scientist of any sort say “Past life’s”?

Raggletagglegypsy · 29/05/2023 13:44

CurlewKate · 29/05/2023 13:19

@Rollonannualeave "Those who keep going on about science, please read some quantum physics and then come back here"
OK-what would you like to talk about?

How about Quantum Physics' superposition. This recent experiment is interesting - read to the end...now think of thoughts (or rather, the internalised awareness of lived experiences) being the equivalent of processing facilitated by electrical processing, within the mechanical object for memory (the brain)...https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/physicists-create-biggest-ever-schroedingers-cat/

Physicists Create Biggest-Ever Schrödinger’s Cat

Physicists have put the largest-ever object into a quantum superposition

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/physicists-create-biggest-ever-schroedingers-cat