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Sayhellolikethis · 2023-05-28T14:06:21+00:00

Name changed, as I’ve told MIL and DSis about this already… Putting my little boy (just turned 4) to bed and he told me “I built 60 bridges during the war and I also built a bomb”. I asked him why he built a bomb and he said “I put 2 bombs on each of my bridges to protect them”. He also said “the factories were covered in camouflage”. He then added “and a fighter jet plane falled to the ground”. It was such a ramble of words and then he just wanted to snuggle down and go to sleep. Has anyone else had a similar experience with their little ones? He won’t talk about it any further. Puzzled!!

LuciferRising · 02/06/2023 16:15

We're a tiny speck in the lifeline of the universe. We are arrogant and believe we have it sussed and I bet we thought we knew it all 500 years ago. While I don't believe, I am open to being proven wrong. The universe is immense and I believe there is still much to discover about it and how we operate within it.

CurlewKate · 02/06/2023 16:19

@LuciferRising "We're a tiny speck in the lifeline of the universe. We are arrogant and believe we have it sussed and I bet we thought we knew it all 500 years ago."

I don't for a moment think we have it all sussed. I do, however, believe that we have some of it sussed.

LuciferRising · 02/06/2023 16:30

CurlewKate · 02/06/2023 16:19

@LuciferRising "We're a tiny speck in the lifeline of the universe. We are arrogant and believe we have it sussed and I bet we thought we knew it all 500 years ago."

I don't for a moment think we have it all sussed. I do, however, believe that we have some of it sussed.

I believe we're on a verge of another 'break through' with AI and we will move into a new stage of discovery. Not sure what though but I expect it to challenge a few things we believe.

I'd love my non belief to be proven wrong.

Rollonannualeave · 02/06/2023 16:37

I agree ai is massive. The 4th industrial revolution.

Myfavouritepenguin · 02/06/2023 17:29

CurlewKate · 02/06/2023 16:19

@LuciferRising "We're a tiny speck in the lifeline of the universe. We are arrogant and believe we have it sussed and I bet we thought we knew it all 500 years ago."

I don't for a moment think we have it all sussed. I do, however, believe that we have some of it sussed.

We certainly do have many things sussed - the achievements of modern science are absolutely incredible.

I guess I just think there are things beyond the reach of science. I don’t know whether science will ever be able to explain why the natural world is so beautiful, for example. I don’t really think science should try to explain that. I know that science gives us all kinds of chemical explanations for our emotions and moods, but I’m sure most of us feel like we’re more than chemicals, that our emotions (especially our love for people) means something? This is why I never expect science to explain or account for all of the universe.

Againstmachine · 02/06/2023 18:03

mamabear715 · 02/06/2023 15:59

@Myfavouritepenguin I totally agree.
I'm obviously NOT as good with words so I give up at the onslaught. I don't mind people disagreeing, but the sceptics who belittle other posters are cruel & closed minded.

Cruel pull the other one, it isnt the sceptical people saying that the disabled deserve it due to past life's.

Stop playing the victim it was a believer who called sceptics jackass's.

mamabear715 · 02/06/2023 18:42

Yep, cruel know-it-all's.
Think they are far too 'educated' to even allow for the fact that things might be true.

Againstmachine · 02/06/2023 19:14

mamabear715 · 02/06/2023 18:42

Yep, cruel know-it-all's.
Think they are far too 'educated' to even allow for the fact that things might be true.

Nope we simply ask for something you can't provide evidence, there is a difference between educated and believing any old codswallop.

mamabear715 · 02/06/2023 19:18

I have better things to do than argue back & forth. Some folk - even highly eduated ones - just don't have the brain cells to even allow for the fact that they could be wrong.. am off into my garden into the lovely sunshine, don't drool & chew things in disgust that I won't play!

Againstmachine · 02/06/2023 19:43

mamabear715 · 02/06/2023 19:18

I have better things to do than argue back & forth. Some folk - even highly eduated ones - just don't have the brain cells to even allow for the fact that they could be wrong.. am off into my garden into the lovely sunshine, don't drool & chew things in disgust that I won't play!

Ah so people don't have the braincells so you calling them thick basically, but you believe in any old shit I'm not sure who is lacking braincells.

No one has a problem with being wrong but you are yet to prove it.

CathyorClaire · 02/06/2023 20:06

Some folk - even highly eduated ones - just don't have the brain cells to even allow for the fact that they could be wrong

But sceptic posters have acknowledged this.

The problem is we have believers advancing anecdotal evidence for supernatural events while any attempt at investigation into the phenomenon has come up with nothing in support.

It's not closed-minded to go with the side that at present holds the weight of what evidence currently exists. Re-evaluation of a view in the light of any future discoveries is always on the table.

GarlicGrace · 02/06/2023 20:30

Not RTFT so apologise if someone else already posted similar - I have a half-arsed theory about this in young children. You know how a baby's brain is just a jellified mass of unconnected neurons? They start connecting all over the place, then connections that are unused or irrelevant die off while the useful ones proliferate and strengthen. The preliminary shaping phase takes about ten years.

So my hypothesis is that maybe we do inherit fragmentary memories from our ancestors. Don't ask me how this may happen - I'm no DNA expert, and we don't even know yet how hard-wired reflexes arise in the infant. But - maybe - some inherited memories do pop up while a child's dendrites are roaming around, connecting with each other, and then get pruned as they turn out not to be relevant in the here and now.

As to past lives? Nope. I don't believe in souls, reincarnation, or any of that.
I've told you this many times over the past 500 years 😂

CurlewKate · 02/06/2023 20:50

"It's not closed-minded to go with the side that at present holds the weight of what evidence currently exists. Re-evaluation of a view in the light of any future discoveries is always on the table."
This is important. The point is that every apparently paranormal event so far has a potentially rational explanation. Maybe tomorrow one will turn up that doesn't and that would be super exciting. I can't wait for that to happen.

Myfavouritepenguin · 02/06/2023 20:52

CathyorClaire · 02/06/2023 20:06

Some folk - even highly eduated ones - just don't have the brain cells to even allow for the fact that they could be wrong

But sceptic posters have acknowledged this.

The problem is we have believers advancing anecdotal evidence for supernatural events while any attempt at investigation into the phenomenon has come up with nothing in support.

It's not closed-minded to go with the side that at present holds the weight of what evidence currently exists. Re-evaluation of a view in the light of any future discoveries is always on the table.

You and @CurlewKate have been extremely selective with which points of mine you’ve actually engaged with!

How is it not going with the balance of evidence to say that I’ll keep an open mind about people’s experiences (rather than swatting them away or saying ‘you were asleep)? I’m certainly not proposing a clear hypothesis that I expect to withstand scientific analysis! Quite the opposite.

Do you have any thoughts about those elements of human experience that can’t be measured in a lab?

Myfavouritepenguin · 02/06/2023 21:15

This is important. The point is that every apparently paranormal event so far has a potentially rational explanation. Maybe tomorrow one will turn up that doesn't and that would be super exciting. I can't wait for that to happen.

Not the case (well, I guess you can ‘rationally explain’ anything with ‘you imagined it 🤷‍♀️).

But I definitely, definitely don’t believe your last point!

CurlewKate · 02/06/2023 22:07

"@Myfavouritepenguin "But I definitely, definitely don’t believe your last point!"

Why not? I love it when new things are discovered and people are working to explain them.

Myfavouritepenguin · 02/06/2023 22:23

CurlewKate · 02/06/2023 22:07

"@Myfavouritepenguin "But I definitely, definitely don’t believe your last point!"

Why not? I love it when new things are discovered and people are working to explain them.

Fair enough. I got the impression you’d be frantically reaching everywhere for a ‘rational’ explanation if anything genuinely baffling crossed your path, but I could easily be wrong.

CurlewKate · 03/06/2023 05:22

@Myfavouritepenguin " I got the impression you’d be frantically reaching everywhere for a ‘rational’ explanation if anything genuinely baffling crossed your path, but I could easily be wrong."

Well, I would certainly be looking for a rational explanation. I wouldn't be "frantically reaching" for one! There has so far been no need for any sort of "reaching"- frantic or otherwise. But who knows what tomorrow will bring?

SaltyCrisps · 03/06/2023 06:40

OP, look on YouTube for The Boy who Lived Before. Fascinating and compelling stuff. Yes, I believe in reincarnation.

SaltyCrisps · 03/06/2023 06:44

Stillcountingbeans · 28/05/2023 19:36

To the doubters: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
As a scientifically minded person you should know that.

If the hypothesis explains the facts (i.e. explains the things children say), then don't discount the hypothesis because you don't like it.

I think many people have an emotional investment in 'not believing woo stuff.' Perhaps it comes from fear.

^^ This.

Myfavouritepenguin · 03/06/2023 07:05

CurlewKate · 03/06/2023 05:22

@Myfavouritepenguin " I got the impression you’d be frantically reaching everywhere for a ‘rational’ explanation if anything genuinely baffling crossed your path, but I could easily be wrong."

Well, I would certainly be looking for a rational explanation. I wouldn't be "frantically reaching" for one! There has so far been no need for any sort of "reaching"- frantic or otherwise. But who knows what tomorrow will bring?

I guess we’ll have to agree to differ. I have heard many ‘rational’ explanations of people’s experiences that sound very much like reaching! Ultimately, when some sceptics come across information they can’t explain, they fall back on “you’re imagining it”, which seems like a cop-out to me 🤷‍♀️

I notice you’ve still not addressed any of my other points about the human experience ☹️

CurlewKate · 03/06/2023 08:04

@Myfavouritepenguin @Ultimately, when some sceptics come across information they can’t explain, they fall back on “you’re imagining it”, which seems like a cop-out to me "

Are you suggesting that people never imagine things? Of course sometimes that's the explanation for "unexplained" things.

Myfavouritepenguin · 03/06/2023 08:11

CurlewKate · 03/06/2023 08:04

@Myfavouritepenguin @Ultimately, when some sceptics come across information they can’t explain, they fall back on “you’re imagining it”, which seems like a cop-out to me "

Are you suggesting that people never imagine things? Of course sometimes that's the explanation for "unexplained" things.

That’s not what I said! Occasionally I’m sure people do imagine things (though I must admit I’ve literally never imagined I’ve seen a person who wasn’t there or conjured up mysterious moving objects - have you?!).

I’m saying that can’t always be the explanation. Most of us trust the evidence of our eyes and ears most of the time. When something way out of the ordinary happens, it’s a cop out to decide that that particular inconvenient bit of data is false.

Myfavouritepenguin · 03/06/2023 08:12

Also, are you ever going to engage with my other points?!

CurlewKate · 03/06/2023 08:13

@SaltyCrisps "If the hypothesis explains the facts (i.e. explains the things children say), then don't discount the hypothesis because you don't like it." I don't mean to sound like a dick here, but do you mean hypothesis? Because surely the point of a hypothesis is that it needs research and facts to support it.