Is this incredibly racist or am I being sensitive

[Restaurantlover]

Have had to nc as incredibly outing.

I enquired about a blossom tree installation in my restaurant, someone got back to me with a quote and I said great what’s his timescales. He let me know a date and I told him it would be suitable but nothing yet agreed.
Next thing I know he says he requires a 50% deposit because he’s ordered the blossom for the tree.
I never asked him to order the blossom, never agreed that the work would actually be done and certainly didn’t agree to give him 50% upfront.

I’ve had to block him as he is continuously ringing and messaging me and is just being plain nasty, to both my husband and I.

I think he’s gone a step too far with this Facebook post though, the reference to scrubbing korma pans and polishing shoes just gets to me, I feel he’s being racist, we have an Indian restaurant but I don’t actually go/work there so he’s obviously made that up to be spiteful.

He was on the line of ambiguous enough to deny blatant racism as you can tell by some comments here which to me says he is not stupid and a most likely a really nasty man, took a chance at locking in a sale in the hopes you would just pay him to avoid an issue.

The vintage sofa company in Halifax does supply ornamental life sized trees occasionally, they may be able to help.

https://vintagesofa.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjwpayjBhAnEiwA-7ena7Z80U_YWOuWLKRcBGRjP6AcICxeUqnRkZ3RceykIagj6Sx_4VSWqBoCRWQQAvD_BwE

So another Indian gentleman has been on and said the post is NOT rascist, well done, some common sense at last. Now can it be put to bed?

A lot of white people when they’re racist to Asians will use very subtle racism that they can hide behind and deny because it’s not overt. It’s very obvious to me. Block him and don’t engage further.

Just seen the Facebook post and he actually comes across like a huge dick. Glad the comments are in your favour.

And plenty have said it is, what’s your point?

In the context that this person sounds like an total arsehole and is (presumably) white then those comments are definitely racially charged. However the fact that you inquired about the timeline and actually agreed upon a date also sounds like a pretty firm verbal agreement.

So it's a case of one side being significantly unprofessional to another side (causing them financial loss) and that triggering a racially loaded insult. It's one of the small example of white privilege. Had your restaurant been Italian, a pub or French, then the review would simply have be nasty without any mention of ethnic food origins.

I've almost certain no person on this planet will insult an Italian restaurant using the phrase "pesto pans". Has any of the white ladies posting in this thread ever used the term pesto pan in their life?

apart from the racist side

I enquired about a blossom tree installation in my restaurant,

They quoted with price

You said great - when?

He let me know a date

You said yes

At this point, he should have asked for the deposit prior to ordering the item

This should not have happened until you paid the deposit
Next thing I know he says he requires a 50% deposit because he’s ordered the blossom for the tree.
I never asked him to order the blossom, never agreed that the work would actually be done and certainly didn’t agree to give him 50% upfront.

It saddens me that you don’t see it.
Its like racism has evolved so much, those of us it’s aimed at find it acceptable.

The Dubai trip is rubbish, local people know my husband and I well. Everyone knows he works 7days a week because it’s our business and he wants to look after it.
Everyone also knows that I am can’t stand to both live and work with my Dh so I have a different job.

He has a Range Rover, it’s his WhatsApp profile picture. A lot of people know us locally so I’m not bothered that people will believe him as such, it’s just his subtle racism which is horrible.

This. You dodged a bullet here OP - sorry he's being such a massive dick to you on Facebook but he comes across as an idiot so I'm sure nobody will pay him any heed

In his facebook message he states the name of the restaurant saying it is Blah blah indian restaurant and then says Amin and his wife. It is clear to anyone reading that they are indian so I don't think it is racist, he just was saying that they were at the restaurant doing things when they told him they were on holiday.

You're just trying any old hook to hope that he won't press it and think by shouting, 'racist' will be enough to frighten him into shutting up.

Transparent and no, he isn't racist. He is probably rightly angry that you agreed a date and now won't pay.

Did he lick all that about yachts, Dubai and Range Rovers off the floor or did you say all that shit?

I think you are in the wrong and so do you , otherwise you wouldn't be grasping at straws.

If he requires a 50 percent deposit then there was no contract because she fid not give the deposit. They discussed terms but they did not complete the contract—he should not have started work without the deposit and she would not(did not) expect him to start the work simply on the basis of a conversation.

Of course it's racist. Be glad that you didn't do business with that nasty piece of work.

He's clearly trying to make it known that it's an Indian restaurant; he could have just said "scrubbing pans". It's got plausible deniability but I think it's pretty clear he wants people to know she and her husband are Indian because he thinks it's relevant.

^^ Totally agree with what @DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder has said. Strong towards other pps trying to minimise the racist element of his posts.

I think what he's doing will hurt his business more than it hurts yours, OP. Sorry you're dealing with this.

It does read as if there was a bit of ambiguity around whether the job was confirmed, but that doesn't remotely justify his behaviour. It would have been down to him to properly check/seek clearer confirmation from you before ordering anything.

Even by his own admission he made a display that took a long time to make, before getting a deposit from you. More fool him - the deposit is for exactly this scenario, when you are making something big which needs lots of materials ordered in advance, you don't start ordering things or spending a lot of time unless you've got the deposit first.

Block and move on. His comments about korma pans just show him up to be a massive racist bellend.

OF COURSE THE SCRUBBING KORMA PANS BIT IS RACIST!!!

Yes exactly this. It's something I can easily see him applying to a Chinese or Indian restaurant but won't be used for a pub or pizzeria. It's also one of the micro-aggressions that people claim "they don't understand" because it's simply stating a fact. However if a newspaper article deliberately mentions the skin colour or ethnic origin of a perpetrator then it's often deemed more inflammatory and racist than if they left it out. Publications like the DM almost always include identifying details regarding race (which are simply facts of course so "can't be racist") whereas more respectable journalists leave it out.

Yes, he should have said scrubbing Yorkshire Pudding pans-what a load of balls!

Ah a first-time poster. I see he's found your thread OP.

No, been here ages. Do you know that you can change your name regularly and should, in fact, do so

He hadn’t made it, if you look at the date on this message I first enquired on 2nd may. He is controlling the narrative here but that’s not my issue.

Just s the OP has done!

How am I supposed to know he said Indian owners when OP hid it with some red marker.

He is being nasty but he is aggrieved about his loss.
Op, polishing your own shoes is not same as kneeling over to polish shoes of white master.

I would assume OP is a rich restaurant owner , who can afford to spend £8000 on a decorative item for her business and for tradesman it is a lot of money to stock an item like that.
He may or may not be racist. But op should also be careful to not string along and not cause a business loss by using misleading language.

Perhaps one party is racist and the other is capitalist. Both seems to lack empathy for others, given this scenario.

@LibertyFloral Right enough, I suppose if you're in the habit of downplaying racism it would be a good way to cover your tracks.

Don't be a idiot @danceyourselfdizzy1

Do you know that your user name could be subtle racism against dervishes or other religions who use dance in this way. It's subtle but you are hiding your racism in plain sight here.