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To only be available to help elderly DM one day a week?

85 replies

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 10:57

I am finding it difficult to judge how much care and help I should be giving to my parents.

I am mid 40s, no children, one dog, live alone (although have DP of 14 years) and am self employed as a professional singer, manage and coordinate other musicians and my shows. I travel for work Fridays and Saturdays, often a 16 hour day. Sunday is for recovering. Monday through Thursday I take care of the things it takes to run a house, plus spend time planning the following weekend’s work. I also dedicate time to working on my skill set, which is an essential part of my business. If I don’t work on my skill set, then things fall apart fairly quickly affecting my ability to earn money (and therefore support myself and others financially).

DM has always been emotionally demanding; the sort of relationship where you have to constantly walk on eggshells. She is liable to lash out and then ignore me for weeks. DF is long-term disabled, of poor health and currently in temporary care after catching Covid back in March. He is a sweet man, and we have always had a good relationship.

DB, SiL and their 3DC moved 4 hours drive away before the pandemic, but distance and family duties mean that most care and help falls to me. I currently live about 40 minutes drive from my parents.

A year ago, I single-handedly moved both parents in to assisted living. The unenviable task of clearing my parents house (DM is a hoarder) fell to me. With hindsight, I’d have paid a clearance company instead. Since then, I have arranged planning permission on their old house (no mean feat!) in order to get them a better price. The house is currently on the market and soon to go to auction.

The time, energy and responsibility of this has almost broken me. The emotional toll of clearing a filthy, neglected house showed me how much my mum had given up. She hasn’t cleaned her bedroom in decades. The filth and dust was utterly disturbing. The image she presents to the world is of a posh, nicely dressed lady, when the truth is she can barely manage self-care.

During this period, I also seriously neglected my own needs. I spent next to no time working on my craft and as a result have had a year or so of not being able to perform to the high standard expected of me in my profession. It’s been heartbreaking to barely cope in a job I worked so hard to be successful at. I am falling apart at the seams…self medicating with wine every night, only just hanging on to sanity by my fingernails.

The previously lovely work-life balance I had before the pandemic has completely disappeared, now filled with taking mum to hospital appointments etc. We fell out a few times over my reluctance to do all her food shopping, with her eventually moving to online shopping. She refuses any outside care at all. When dad eventually comes home, they will have carers, so this will alleviate the pressure on me slightly.

Over the past two months I have scaled back what I’m prepared to do for her, often only making myself available one day a week. She thinks I should be doing more, but I know the more I do, the less she will do for herself.

As a child, I was sexually abused by a man who lived with us as a lodger. Why my mother didn’t throw him out of the house, I will never know. My father was too ill to know about or deal with the situation. I purposely haven’t had children because I absolutely don’t want to put innocent humans through what me and my brother experienced. I also have no desire to be carer for either of my parents. I apologise if that sounds harsh, but it’s the truth.

Years of emotional manipulation mean that I can no longer figure out what a healthy boundary is. Can anyone tell me if there’s a way of working out what is fair, and what isn’t?

OP posts:
Twospaniels · 22/05/2023 11:04

Set some boundaries now.
Help out once a week
set up online shopping for them - even if your mum tells you what she wants and you do the online shop
be prepared to take them to hospital appts etc as these can’t always be on a day that suits you.
get carers if needed
get a cleaning person
get a gardener if needed
hugs to you - take it easy on yourself - 💐

Theroad · 22/05/2023 11:05

Hmmm... that's tough OP. In a normal loving relationship between elderly parents and adult child, one day a week would be pretty dismal. But this is not that. It seems you had a very toxic upbringing and it's taking its toll on you, understandably. Your parents both let you down massively with the abuse.

I think in the circumstances once a week is perfectly fair and adequate. Beyond fair actually, given the lack of support they gave you as a child - many people would do nothing for parents in those circumstances and I don't blame them!

You owe them nothing. I hope you have support for yourself 💐

Kanaloa · 22/05/2023 11:08

I think you need to untangle things a bit. It sounds to me like you (understandably) want to have a more distant relationship with your parents as you feel they failed you as a child. If that’s the case then work with that. I wouldn’t make excuses about needing Monday through Thursday to ‘take care of the things it takes to run a house’ because that just sounds a bit ridiculous. Most people don’t have four days a week to take care of those things realistically. So I would just not bring that up as it will sound like you’re making odd excuses. Just say you’re available x day and that’s all you can offer.

ChubbyMorticia · 22/05/2023 11:14

You can’t set yourself on fire to keep others warm. You have a life that needs attending to.

Be blunt with the social workers. “My work requires travel. I cannot be a regular caregiver. I refuse to be a part of the care plan. My mental health cannot handle it, nor can I financially afford it.”

Be clear about the condition of the house, etc as you found it. Frankly, I don’t think your parents should be out of assisted living. They clearly are unable to manage.

You deserve to live your life.

midgemadgemodge · 22/05/2023 11:16

So you effectively work full time albeit in a none conventional career ?

And you have helped your parents loads
And you have worked out what the most is you can give

There is no law or moral imperative to be a carer to a parent or to visit

It might make them sad but they don't seem to be bothered about making you sad

MatildaTheCat · 22/05/2023 11:17

This sounds so hard. I bet your DB is a sainted hero too.

Your DM has no boundaries so yes, you have to have some. This refusal of outside help is so common yet so unfair and infuriating. Age concern may be able to advise on this. My own DM has accepted a cleaner who she now likes and is comfortable with.

If your DM is a hoarder there’s likely to be a lot of shame attached to having strangers in the house. I think it would be ok to have a conversation about your availability vs her needs. Hospital appointments etc can be done if it works for you, otherwise hospital transport or cabs. Your DB can do quite a lot from a distance, managing bills, lawyers etc.

You need a rest. Could you tell her you are going away for a couple of weeks? Arrange that cleaner in advance and then stay right away and focus on yourself. There will be a terrible phone connection where you are going.

Good luck. She won’t be easy but sticking to your boundaries will protect you from some of her toxicity.

mistlethrush · 22/05/2023 11:17

In what way do you need to 'help' once a week?

My parents are in their 80s - I live 4 hrs away - I try to visit as often as possible but that's not even once a month at them moment due to other pressures. Despite this they don't need any 'help' per se - they have someone to come and help with the cleaning once a month. My father does all the gardening, and they get people in to decorate etc now rather than doing it themselves. They do have lots of hospital appointments between them but taken themselves there.

Similarly my FiL is a few years older and we don't need to 'help' on a regular basis.

I definitely don't think that you should need to be there more than one day a week - but I question whether they should be using you for 'help' to that extent, given your history.

Chowtime · 22/05/2023 11:18

I think helping them once a week would be a lovely thing to do. Could you arrange for carers to go in daily as well?

StopStartStop · 22/05/2023 11:20

Therapy.

Stick to one day a week. They don't 'deserve' that, and can't demand it. Well, they can demand, but you don't have to supply.

My goodness you've had a hard time. Well done for making a good life for yourself.

I also have no desire to be carer for either of my parents.
That's a boundary, right there. Stick to it.

Nordicrain · 22/05/2023 11:23

SEt the boundaries you want or need. There is no obligation to help out more than that.

I don't understand how it takes 4 full days to do the things it takes to run a house though.

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 11:26

Nordicrain · 22/05/2023 11:23

SEt the boundaries you want or need. There is no obligation to help out more than that.

I don't understand how it takes 4 full days to do the things it takes to run a house though.

If you read that paragraph again you’ll see that I also work on the planning aspect of running my business. I’m always working, even on days when I’m not travelling for work

OP posts:
Grumpyfroghats · 22/05/2023 11:27

*In a normal loving relationship between elderly parents and adult child, one day a week would be pretty dismal"

Really? I don't know anyone who manages to see their elderly parents once a week, it sounds like loads to me

Kanaloa · 22/05/2023 11:30

Grumpyfroghats · 22/05/2023 11:27

*In a normal loving relationship between elderly parents and adult child, one day a week would be pretty dismal"

Really? I don't know anyone who manages to see their elderly parents once a week, it sounds like loads to me

You don’t know a single person who manages to see their own parents once a week? How unusual.

Grumpyfroghats · 22/05/2023 11:31

Kanaloa · 22/05/2023 11:30

You don’t know a single person who manages to see their own parents once a week? How unusual.

Most people I know live at least an hour or two away from their parents, have children and work. How are they supposed to do it?

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 11:31

Kanaloa · 22/05/2023 11:08

I think you need to untangle things a bit. It sounds to me like you (understandably) want to have a more distant relationship with your parents as you feel they failed you as a child. If that’s the case then work with that. I wouldn’t make excuses about needing Monday through Thursday to ‘take care of the things it takes to run a house’ because that just sounds a bit ridiculous. Most people don’t have four days a week to take care of those things realistically. So I would just not bring that up as it will sound like you’re making odd excuses. Just say you’re available x day and that’s all you can offer.

If you re read that paragraph, you’ll see that I also use those days working on the planning aspect of my business. I’m always working, even on days I’m not travelling and performing

OP posts:
Kanaloa · 22/05/2023 11:33

Grumpyfroghats · 22/05/2023 11:31

Most people I know live at least an hour or two away from their parents, have children and work. How are they supposed to do it?

I don’t know how they are supposed to do it. I find it unusual that you don’t know even one single person who sees their own parents once a week.

Cantstaystuckforever · 22/05/2023 11:34

Helping once a week is fine or less is fine. They sound like they've been difficult, and you do have a sibling who should be helping with support financially and emotionally even if not physically.

Have you had therapy for any of this? It can help you set boundaries, it also can give you some compassion for a mother who presumably was in difficult financial straits with 2 kids and a husband too ill to work, and then was presumably a carer along with a hoarder. None of this means her behaviour was ok or that you need to help once a week or even at all, but it helps.

Similarly it can be good to be honest about your own needs and capacity. If you're living alone with a dog, then Sunday off to recover and "Monday through Thursday I take care of the things it takes to run a house" is a very relaxed pace of life, even with performing days.
Having cleared up myself after an extreme hoarder (no working toilets etc), I do empathise with the horror, but also cannot see how clearing out one unoccupied house meant a year of not being able to perform.

Again, this is ok, you have every right to this, but it can help to be straightforward with ourselves about our capacities and our own needs, and acknowledge that there is not always a persecutor and a victim, sometimes we are all having a hard time and we all do the best we can. I hope that you and your sibling, maybe with your partners, can get together on the next steps.

midgemadgemodge · 22/05/2023 11:35

I see people are thinking as it's not a standard job that somehow she has more free time than she probably does

Which actually isn't the point either - it doesn't matter how much free time she has - it's up to the op how she created a life that works for her and how she chooses to spend that life

And there is nothing wrong in choosing that you don't want to be a carer for your parents

There is however something wrong in a parent demanding anything from their children

Grumpyfroghats · 22/05/2023 11:37

Kanaloa · 22/05/2023 11:33

I don’t know how they are supposed to do it. I find it unusual that you don’t know even one single person who sees their own parents once a week.

I find it unusual that you know so many who do!

Bonbon21 · 22/05/2023 11:38

Your parents have chosen how to live their lives.
You get to choose how to live yours.
If it suits YOU to see them once a week then that is fine... you dont need to feel bad or that people judge you.. if they are so concerned they are welcome to muck in..
Be clear you will visit on ...day... you will do an online shopping order , pick up prescriptions etc.. if there is an appointment that day you will support them to attend or whatever. Thats it.
If they need more, then that is for them to arrange, cleaners, carers, transport... there are loads of places to get advice and/or support.
You have a right to your life .. the way you want it to be... be prepared to walk away if these arrangements are challenged.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/05/2023 11:39

I know the more I do, the less she will do for herself

An insightful remark, OP, especially as she's trying to refuse all outside care in order to pressure you to do it instead - a common tactic and not a pleasant one

The overall point here is that you're absolutely right to set boundaries which take account of your own needs too, and actually it's important to get this in place while she can still do things for herself ... because it can be even harder to do it once she can't

Kanaloa · 22/05/2023 11:42

Grumpyfroghats · 22/05/2023 11:37

I find it unusual that you know so many who do!

I don’t know ‘so many.’ I know some people who visit their parents often, and some who visit their parents less. I think it’s unusual that you don’t know a single person who lives near their parents or manages to see them even once a week. Not one person.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/05/2023 11:43

I don't think you would be unreasonable to cut all ties with your parents given they knew about the lodger sexually abusing you and your brother and not doing anything to protect you

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 11:45

Cantstaystuckforever · 22/05/2023 11:34

Helping once a week is fine or less is fine. They sound like they've been difficult, and you do have a sibling who should be helping with support financially and emotionally even if not physically.

Have you had therapy for any of this? It can help you set boundaries, it also can give you some compassion for a mother who presumably was in difficult financial straits with 2 kids and a husband too ill to work, and then was presumably a carer along with a hoarder. None of this means her behaviour was ok or that you need to help once a week or even at all, but it helps.

Similarly it can be good to be honest about your own needs and capacity. If you're living alone with a dog, then Sunday off to recover and "Monday through Thursday I take care of the things it takes to run a house" is a very relaxed pace of life, even with performing days.
Having cleared up myself after an extreme hoarder (no working toilets etc), I do empathise with the horror, but also cannot see how clearing out one unoccupied house meant a year of not being able to perform.

Again, this is ok, you have every right to this, but it can help to be straightforward with ourselves about our capacities and our own needs, and acknowledge that there is not always a persecutor and a victim, sometimes we are all having a hard time and we all do the best we can. I hope that you and your sibling, maybe with your partners, can get together on the next steps.

Gosh, I really wish I hadn’t made that remark about looking after my house! I also work during those days. I don’t just work when I’m travelling and performing. I single-handedly run and coordinate a stage show that employs numerous other musicians and workers.

It took me the best part of a year to clear the house around also trying to work, care for both parents and deal with all the legalities involved. There was also an epic flood, subsequent cleanup (black mould etc.) which they weren’t insured for. It’s been wholly consuming!

As a result, I neglected my own living conditions, garden, house maintenance in the process, so it’s very important for me to maintain a safe, clean and decluttered home

OP posts:
Hbh17 · 22/05/2023 11:47

One day a week is a huge amount. You have no obligation to help her AT ALL if you don't want to. Time to start putting yourself first, I think.