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To only be available to help elderly DM one day a week?

85 replies

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 10:57

I am finding it difficult to judge how much care and help I should be giving to my parents.

I am mid 40s, no children, one dog, live alone (although have DP of 14 years) and am self employed as a professional singer, manage and coordinate other musicians and my shows. I travel for work Fridays and Saturdays, often a 16 hour day. Sunday is for recovering. Monday through Thursday I take care of the things it takes to run a house, plus spend time planning the following weekend’s work. I also dedicate time to working on my skill set, which is an essential part of my business. If I don’t work on my skill set, then things fall apart fairly quickly affecting my ability to earn money (and therefore support myself and others financially).

DM has always been emotionally demanding; the sort of relationship where you have to constantly walk on eggshells. She is liable to lash out and then ignore me for weeks. DF is long-term disabled, of poor health and currently in temporary care after catching Covid back in March. He is a sweet man, and we have always had a good relationship.

DB, SiL and their 3DC moved 4 hours drive away before the pandemic, but distance and family duties mean that most care and help falls to me. I currently live about 40 minutes drive from my parents.

A year ago, I single-handedly moved both parents in to assisted living. The unenviable task of clearing my parents house (DM is a hoarder) fell to me. With hindsight, I’d have paid a clearance company instead. Since then, I have arranged planning permission on their old house (no mean feat!) in order to get them a better price. The house is currently on the market and soon to go to auction.

The time, energy and responsibility of this has almost broken me. The emotional toll of clearing a filthy, neglected house showed me how much my mum had given up. She hasn’t cleaned her bedroom in decades. The filth and dust was utterly disturbing. The image she presents to the world is of a posh, nicely dressed lady, when the truth is she can barely manage self-care.

During this period, I also seriously neglected my own needs. I spent next to no time working on my craft and as a result have had a year or so of not being able to perform to the high standard expected of me in my profession. It’s been heartbreaking to barely cope in a job I worked so hard to be successful at. I am falling apart at the seams…self medicating with wine every night, only just hanging on to sanity by my fingernails.

The previously lovely work-life balance I had before the pandemic has completely disappeared, now filled with taking mum to hospital appointments etc. We fell out a few times over my reluctance to do all her food shopping, with her eventually moving to online shopping. She refuses any outside care at all. When dad eventually comes home, they will have carers, so this will alleviate the pressure on me slightly.

Over the past two months I have scaled back what I’m prepared to do for her, often only making myself available one day a week. She thinks I should be doing more, but I know the more I do, the less she will do for herself.

As a child, I was sexually abused by a man who lived with us as a lodger. Why my mother didn’t throw him out of the house, I will never know. My father was too ill to know about or deal with the situation. I purposely haven’t had children because I absolutely don’t want to put innocent humans through what me and my brother experienced. I also have no desire to be carer for either of my parents. I apologise if that sounds harsh, but it’s the truth.

Years of emotional manipulation mean that I can no longer figure out what a healthy boundary is. Can anyone tell me if there’s a way of working out what is fair, and what isn’t?

OP posts:
Lengokengo · 22/05/2023 11:54

It doesn’t matter what we think. It only matters what you feel you can manage.

You would be justified in giving no help, some help or lots of help!

i can sympathise about an energy draining mother. I have to be on good form to speak to mine. One barbed comment, seemingly innocent, is enough to drain me completely. I put in boundaries. As soon as she comments on my weight, I say I have to go. As soon as she is critical ( about me or others) I work out if I want to stay talking.

You need to assess what boundaries you have and stick to them. Don’t come up with excuses, or justifications, it will make YOU feel more drained. If you would like contact once a month on a set day, tell your mum that’s what she is getting!

Fiddlededeefiddlededoh · 22/05/2023 11:54

I think you need ongoing emotional support until you can develop appropriate boundaries with your mother. Have a listen to the In sight podcast it will really help.

As life has gone on I have realised just how much of what you have described here goes on in families. Dysfunctional families are common, they are damaging and setting boundaries is the only way of managing them.

My boundaries with my family is NC because there was abuse in the family and the abuse was largely facilitated by the family hierarchy you are describing here where emotionally manipulative parents play children like a game of chess to get their needs met. It is so utterly toxic and from my experience it is relatively stable over time.

moderationincludingmoderation · 22/05/2023 11:56

OP, you have my sympathies. I have experienced a lot of the tricky dynamics & logistics of elderly, ill & didabled parents in the last 10 months, and the toll it takes on us psychologically and physically is huge.

It sounds like you have done a huge amount already and been a wonderful support.

And it sounds like you know that, and thst you know it's time to restore some balance.

Is your DB helpful? What's your relationship like?

gamerchick · 22/05/2023 12:07

You're not obligated to do anything at all OP. You don't even have to see her if you don't want.

Peachy2005 · 22/05/2023 12:10

I would be NC with your mum in your position so you’re already doing way more than can be expected. There are services you can pay to take you to hospital appointments. Tough luck if your mum doesn’t want to buy in help. It’s a shame you’ve neglected your own life this past year…it’s time to take it back. Just say you can’t do x, y and z because your own mental health (and/or career) are in crisis. Don’t make excuses, just find a phrase to keep repeating that works for you. Good luck!

HamBone · 22/05/2023 12:15

I’d suggest having a frank talk with your brother about the situation. As a PP said, he can still contribute financially and tbh, I personally don’t think that four hours is so so far away that he couldn’t come and stay every two-three weeks to help out. I support my elderly Dad and that’s how I have to do it- use some vacation time to travel and and stay.

He could take every other Friday off, for example, drive over on Thursday evening abs help out over the weekend.

HamBone · 22/05/2023 12:17

I’ve also moved my Dad to a retirement flat in the past year and it was hellish- not as awful as your experience, but still awful. So I really sympathize with how drained you’re feeling. 💐

Azealeasinbloom · 22/05/2023 12:23

One day a week is a lot to give up to your mum, and there is no obligation on you to do so.
In my case I got a lot of passive aggressive crap from MIL and DH’s siblings, as did DH, simply because we lived closest. I had to learn to call them out on it every single time.

You may find the Elderly Parents board here helpful. It was very good for me find others in the same boat and share experiences and lessons learned.

lordloveadog · 22/05/2023 12:24

A whole day every week?? That's an enormous expectation

funnelfan · 22/05/2023 12:26

i visit my mum once a week and I find it exhausting and we don’t have all the legacy issues in our relationship that you are managing. Everyone’s circumstances are different but YANBU to set boundaries. Join us in the elderly parents board and pop in the cockroach cafe got ideas on what other support your parents can get.

lordloveadog · 22/05/2023 12:29

Your mother is refusing outside help and trying to get you in instead. But you don't want that and your preferences are just as important as hers.

I'm afraid I don't have capacity for that.

That doesn't work for me.

No.

Gooseysgirl · 22/05/2023 12:35

Four hours away or not your brother needs to step up. What's stopping him visiting one weekend per month. Just because he has DC does not mean he gets to help out less. I have two siblings - one lives near our elderly parent (ten mins walk - so very close!) but myself and other sibling live an hour's flight away in a different part of the UK. While our parent is unwell, we have drawn up a schedule of care so that it doesn't all fall to the sibling who lives closest. This is a non-negotiable for us, particularly as the nearby sibling had do all of the care throughout covid! Totally agree with PP about being very boundaried from now on. Once per week is plenty!

I am so sorry about the abuse you experienced in your childhood 💐

VoluptuaGoodshag · 22/05/2023 12:37

Everyone’s relationship with their parents is different. I only see my DM once a week, any more than that drains me. She was nowhere near as horrific as yours OP but nonetheless, I have my boundaries and know what I need to do for self care. You absolutely do not need to see them at all if you don’t wish to. You’ve done plenty so don’t feel like you have to do more. Where was she in your hour of need in your childhood? Worried more about appearances than doing the right thing.
stick to your once a week. If they don’t like it, tough. Concentrate on you and your career. You cannot pour from an empty cup. And in amongst all that, if you can, perhaps some counselling will help you. I wish you the very best Flowers

midgemadgemodge · 22/05/2023 12:37

No one

Not the OP or the brother

Have to visit or in any way help the parents

It's their choice

DucksNewburyport · 22/05/2023 12:39

One day a week is the absolute maximum I would consider. Look after yourself, OP.

Purplecatshopaholic · 22/05/2023 12:39

One day a week is a huge commitment - I wouldn’t commit to that and dont consider it ‘dismal’ despite @Theroad’s comment. My parents would never have asked or even considered it either though. You need to live your life and set boundaries and stick to them. As you said yourself, the more you do for her, the more she’s going to let you do…

Theroad · 22/05/2023 12:45

Grumpyfroghats · 22/05/2023 11:27

*In a normal loving relationship between elderly parents and adult child, one day a week would be pretty dismal"

Really? I don't know anyone who manages to see their elderly parents once a week, it sounds like loads to me

Depends on how close you are geographically I suppose, but it's also possibly a cultural thing.

Quite normal where I'm from to see your parents regularly/help out. Throughout my teens I visited my grandparents a few times a week to help with any shopping etc or simply to provide company. Luckily my mum isn't at the stage where she needs help yet but if/when the time comes I expect I'll be heavily involved and would be there daily if needed. We are close both geographically and emotionally though - I wouldn't do it in the OPs shoes. Her parents definitely don't deserve it IMO...

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 22/05/2023 12:54

I don't think you owe your parents anything op, especially if your DM is refusing to accept paid help at the expense of your own emotional wellbeing.

Decide what time commitment you can offer (if anything) and ensure that is made very clear to your parents. Ensure they have access to appropriate outside help (do they have the means to pay for this or are you and your brother funding it?).

missingeu · 22/05/2023 12:56

Therapy has really improved my relationship with my DM, it's helped me understand the relationship I want and what I'm prepared to give. I can't recommend it enough. I had abuse in my childhood and a very toxic DM. Therapy has been my life saver over the last few months.

It's enabled me to set boundaries, I went NC with my DM for 6 weeks it gave me space to think and see what I wanted.

As someone's else said and I think it's a brilliant qoute: you don't have to set yourself on fire to keep others warm.

I see my DM once a month, once a week was never enough for her and there would also be negative comments. So, I did the oppisite off what she expected me to do and reduced it once a month. It's been marvellous for mental health and my own family.

whitewoodenheart · 22/05/2023 12:59

If it helps OP, I have a very close relationship with my DF (he's a brill dad) but as I also live about 50 minutes away from him, I visit once a week. But we are in touch usually multiple times a day and I guess I effectively administrate his life (which I'm happy to do).

. He has carers 2 x a day
. Someone to do his washing/ironing
. A cleaner once a month
. He also has good local friends and neighbours who pop in regularly

In terms of what I do:
. Lots of emotional support (if needed)
. Organise bills/finance
. Do a weekly shop
. On the day I'm there I do a quick tidy round (hoover/mop floors/tidy etc)
. Do meds into pots and deal with any Med/GP issues
. Take to consultant appointments. . Local friends take him for smaller GP appointments

I don't think there is a 'set amount' you should or shouldn't be doing. It's not a one size fits all situation and you have to find a routine that doesn't leave you utterly exhausted. If you know your mum is inclined to be emotionally manipulative, good boundaries are absolutely essential.

She might not like it but if you're able to have a good conversation with her, tell her what you're able to do and not able to do. Try and 'automate' as much as you can, so do online deliveries, see if pharmacies will do drug blister packs, can you get a cleaner who's be willing to have a regular dust around? Find out what the carers will do too.

Finally, have they had a social assessment? If there's mobility issues, they can get adaptations at home too.

I fully understand how exhausting it can all be!

Lamelie · 22/05/2023 13:00

Theroad · 22/05/2023 11:05

Hmmm... that's tough OP. In a normal loving relationship between elderly parents and adult child, one day a week would be pretty dismal. But this is not that. It seems you had a very toxic upbringing and it's taking its toll on you, understandably. Your parents both let you down massively with the abuse.

I think in the circumstances once a week is perfectly fair and adequate. Beyond fair actually, given the lack of support they gave you as a child - many people would do nothing for parents in those circumstances and I don't blame them!

You owe them nothing. I hope you have support for yourself 💐

I have amazing parents and as they get older there's no way I'd be able to see them more than once a week.

JMSA · 22/05/2023 13:04

I was prepared to say YABU, but now I think otherwise. One day a week is fine in the circumstances. Look after yourself too Flowers

gardenia33 · 22/05/2023 13:06

I can never understand this obligation people feel towards abusive people, whether parents or partners.

OP, you really don't owe them anything, not one day a week, nothing. If they have been abusive to you, just cut them off. Why do you put yourself through this against your will?

I've just decided to cut off contact altogether with an abusive stepmother - and this didn't even involve me being exposed to sexual abuse!

My advice would be to cut them off and don't look back. Have therapy. Good luck!

CovertImage · 22/05/2023 13:06

OP: My mum is a cross between Elizabeth Bathory and Catherine de Medici. Also I'm broken. Do I also need to give a backstory or is that enough?

MN: YANBU!

Et cetera

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 13:17

Fiddlededeefiddlededoh · 22/05/2023 11:54

I think you need ongoing emotional support until you can develop appropriate boundaries with your mother. Have a listen to the In sight podcast it will really help.

As life has gone on I have realised just how much of what you have described here goes on in families. Dysfunctional families are common, they are damaging and setting boundaries is the only way of managing them.

My boundaries with my family is NC because there was abuse in the family and the abuse was largely facilitated by the family hierarchy you are describing here where emotionally manipulative parents play children like a game of chess to get their needs met. It is so utterly toxic and from my experience it is relatively stable over time.

Is this the podcast you mean?

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/in-sight-exposing-narcissism/id1613030538

In Sight - Exposing Narcissism on Apple Podcasts

‎In Sight - Exposing Narcissism on Apple Podcasts

‎Education · 2023

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/in-sight-exposing-narcissism/id1613030538

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