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To only be available to help elderly DM one day a week?

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WollyParton · 22/05/2023 10:57

I am finding it difficult to judge how much care and help I should be giving to my parents.

I am mid 40s, no children, one dog, live alone (although have DP of 14 years) and am self employed as a professional singer, manage and coordinate other musicians and my shows. I travel for work Fridays and Saturdays, often a 16 hour day. Sunday is for recovering. Monday through Thursday I take care of the things it takes to run a house, plus spend time planning the following weekend’s work. I also dedicate time to working on my skill set, which is an essential part of my business. If I don’t work on my skill set, then things fall apart fairly quickly affecting my ability to earn money (and therefore support myself and others financially).

DM has always been emotionally demanding; the sort of relationship where you have to constantly walk on eggshells. She is liable to lash out and then ignore me for weeks. DF is long-term disabled, of poor health and currently in temporary care after catching Covid back in March. He is a sweet man, and we have always had a good relationship.

DB, SiL and their 3DC moved 4 hours drive away before the pandemic, but distance and family duties mean that most care and help falls to me. I currently live about 40 minutes drive from my parents.

A year ago, I single-handedly moved both parents in to assisted living. The unenviable task of clearing my parents house (DM is a hoarder) fell to me. With hindsight, I’d have paid a clearance company instead. Since then, I have arranged planning permission on their old house (no mean feat!) in order to get them a better price. The house is currently on the market and soon to go to auction.

The time, energy and responsibility of this has almost broken me. The emotional toll of clearing a filthy, neglected house showed me how much my mum had given up. She hasn’t cleaned her bedroom in decades. The filth and dust was utterly disturbing. The image she presents to the world is of a posh, nicely dressed lady, when the truth is she can barely manage self-care.

During this period, I also seriously neglected my own needs. I spent next to no time working on my craft and as a result have had a year or so of not being able to perform to the high standard expected of me in my profession. It’s been heartbreaking to barely cope in a job I worked so hard to be successful at. I am falling apart at the seams…self medicating with wine every night, only just hanging on to sanity by my fingernails.

The previously lovely work-life balance I had before the pandemic has completely disappeared, now filled with taking mum to hospital appointments etc. We fell out a few times over my reluctance to do all her food shopping, with her eventually moving to online shopping. She refuses any outside care at all. When dad eventually comes home, they will have carers, so this will alleviate the pressure on me slightly.

Over the past two months I have scaled back what I’m prepared to do for her, often only making myself available one day a week. She thinks I should be doing more, but I know the more I do, the less she will do for herself.

As a child, I was sexually abused by a man who lived with us as a lodger. Why my mother didn’t throw him out of the house, I will never know. My father was too ill to know about or deal with the situation. I purposely haven’t had children because I absolutely don’t want to put innocent humans through what me and my brother experienced. I also have no desire to be carer for either of my parents. I apologise if that sounds harsh, but it’s the truth.

Years of emotional manipulation mean that I can no longer figure out what a healthy boundary is. Can anyone tell me if there’s a way of working out what is fair, and what isn’t?

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WollyParton · 22/05/2023 13:27

HamBone · 22/05/2023 12:15

I’d suggest having a frank talk with your brother about the situation. As a PP said, he can still contribute financially and tbh, I personally don’t think that four hours is so so far away that he couldn’t come and stay every two-three weeks to help out. I support my elderly Dad and that’s how I have to do it- use some vacation time to travel and and stay.

He could take every other Friday off, for example, drive over on Thursday evening abs help out over the weekend.

It’s actually my brother who is the one with healthy boundaries. I’m certain moving 4 hours away was a boundary in itself. He is a brilliant emotional support and I respect his decision to stand back from the situation

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Thesharkradar · 22/05/2023 13:27

You were a victim of child abuse and your mother turned a blind eye
let her rot

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 13:29

moderationincludingmoderation · 22/05/2023 11:56

OP, you have my sympathies. I have experienced a lot of the tricky dynamics & logistics of elderly, ill & didabled parents in the last 10 months, and the toll it takes on us psychologically and physically is huge.

It sounds like you have done a huge amount already and been a wonderful support.

And it sounds like you know that, and thst you know it's time to restore some balance.

Is your DB helpful? What's your relationship like?

Yes Db and I have a great relationship, and he is emotionally supportive. He does a much better job at boundaries than I do

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HamBone · 22/05/2023 13:30

Lamelie · 22/05/2023 13:00

I have amazing parents and as they get older there's no way I'd be able to see them more than once a week.

@Lamelie If they needed more support than that, though, I’m sure you’d help arrange it. It doesn’t have to be you personally that’s always helping them, it’s ensuring that they have the help they need.

My Dad is difficult and I’m an only child, but we’ve got a pretty good support network set up for him.

The OP and her brother need to work together t o access help for their parents and quite frankly, override their mother’s objections to outside help.

Thesharkradar · 22/05/2023 13:31

I can never understand this obligation people feel towards abusive people, whether parents or partners
It's because you've been trained from birth* to serve and obey them, to subordinate your needs to theirs. This was the water in which you swam.
It's very hard to even recognize that you've been trained let alone overcome the training.

*Or rather the parents start the training and that leaves you vulnerable to other predators later in life who can sense your weaknesses.

SunshineAndFizz · 22/05/2023 13:34

The amount of time is whatever you feel comfortable with. You need to ultimately look after yourself first and foremost.

What type of support do they need? Can the assisted living workers meet a lot of the needs?

"I can only commit to <one day a week> mum, I perform and work the rest of the time." Rinse and repeat.

HamBone · 22/05/2023 13:36

@WollyParton Im not sure I agree that your brother has “healthy boundaries.” I personally think he’s washing his hands of the situation and letting you struggle to take care of two elderly people, one of whom is difficult, the other long-term disabled.

He’s letting you carry the burden, OP, when he should be sharing it with you.

diddl · 22/05/2023 13:39

Would it be easier to do nothing & just visit rather than risk more & more demands?

MariaVT65 · 22/05/2023 13:42

Hi Op, please don’t feel guilty about anything.

Sounds to me like the issue of your abuse is being used to justify not being there for your mum more, but you shouldn’t feel guilty regardless. I personally wouldn’t want my children to be burdened with looking after me when I’m old. I also live a few hours away from my mum. I own a house and have young children. So it would be unrealistic for me to help with care. In the past i did travel up to help my mum with her recovery from surgery, but that meant taking annual leave or being able to work from home. Live your own life. I think some people would be more than happy to help their parents if they are able to do so. But not everyone is able to.

ferneytorro · 22/05/2023 13:43

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 11:31

If you re read that paragraph, you’ll see that I also use those days working on the planning aspect of my business. I’m always working, even on days I’m not travelling and performing

Stop justifying it to everyone! Doesn’t matter if for the other six days you are lying on a sunlounger drinking champagne. You are willing to do something once a week, end of story.

unsync · 22/05/2023 13:46

Look after yourself first. Your mother can find another punchbag. She doesn't appreciate or deserve your efforts.

Thesharkradar · 22/05/2023 13:53

If your brother's so emotionally supportive why is he happy to stand back do nothing while you sabotage your health and your career?

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 14:08

Thesharkradar · 22/05/2023 13:27

You were a victim of child abuse and your mother turned a blind eye
let her rot

I guess this is always (albeit unconsciously) in the back of my mind every time she asks me for help

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Maebh9 · 22/05/2023 14:09

One day a week??? I like my parents but no way I'm dedicating that much time to them.

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 14:09

ferneytorro · 22/05/2023 13:43

Stop justifying it to everyone! Doesn’t matter if for the other six days you are lying on a sunlounger drinking champagne. You are willing to do something once a week, end of story.

@ferneytorro thank you! I know…I have the sort of career that looks glamorous. It is when I’m on stage, but the rest of it is bloody hard work

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Maebh9 · 22/05/2023 14:10

Anyone who says that isn't enough is a trollfarmer

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 14:11

Thesharkradar · 22/05/2023 13:53

If your brother's so emotionally supportive why is he happy to stand back do nothing while you sabotage your health and your career?

Because the minute she turned her narcissistic tendencies upon his children, he washed his hands of her

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WollyParton · 22/05/2023 14:14

diddl · 22/05/2023 13:39

Would it be easier to do nothing & just visit rather than risk more & more demands?

That would be a much nicer relationship to have with both my parents, but the past few years have all been about crisis management (dad; brain haemorrhage, mum; 3 joint replacements & recovery; clearing and selling the house). Now the crisis’ are coming to an end I am beginning to question what is appropriate

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WollyParton · 22/05/2023 14:18

CovertImage · 22/05/2023 13:06

OP: My mum is a cross between Elizabeth Bathory and Catherine de Medici. Also I'm broken. Do I also need to give a backstory or is that enough?

MN: YANBU!

Et cetera

Had to google both of those women…not entirely sure she’s quite that evil!

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Fiddlededeefiddlededoh · 22/05/2023 14:20

Yes that is the one. Ignore the subtext of the podcast it is really about the aftermath of dealing with a dysfunctional upbringing. Really they start validating the experiences people have had because the vast majority of people in these families cannot see the wood fir the trees because the behaviour is completely normal for them. I had my father normalising the sexual abuse in my family and then my brother stepped in to normalise what my parents were doing. Absolute bull shit but they believe 100% their own bullshit.

rookiemere · 22/05/2023 14:20

I live about an hour away from my octogenarian parents and currently have one NWD per week if I need to visit them. I see them about once every 3-4 weeks as they are managing ok at the minute. I have a healthy relationship with them, and they with me so wouldn't expect me to drop everything for them - although obviously I would if there was an emergency or requirement to do so.

I'd personally cut back and go for less time or less frequently. Doesn't sound like the visits are healthy for you and she should be putting other mechanisms in place rather than just relying on you.

Merangutan · 22/05/2023 14:23

Whoever read that post and voted that OP is unreasonable, shame on you.

OP, your own health and well-being is suffering. You can’t continue to do this. Being a daughter doesn’t mean you must also effectively give up your own life to become a carer. It doesn’t sound like it is even appreciated.

WollyParton · 22/05/2023 14:31

MatildaTheCat · 22/05/2023 11:17

This sounds so hard. I bet your DB is a sainted hero too.

Your DM has no boundaries so yes, you have to have some. This refusal of outside help is so common yet so unfair and infuriating. Age concern may be able to advise on this. My own DM has accepted a cleaner who she now likes and is comfortable with.

If your DM is a hoarder there’s likely to be a lot of shame attached to having strangers in the house. I think it would be ok to have a conversation about your availability vs her needs. Hospital appointments etc can be done if it works for you, otherwise hospital transport or cabs. Your DB can do quite a lot from a distance, managing bills, lawyers etc.

You need a rest. Could you tell her you are going away for a couple of weeks? Arrange that cleaner in advance and then stay right away and focus on yourself. There will be a terrible phone connection where you are going.

Good luck. She won’t be easy but sticking to your boundaries will protect you from some of her toxicity.

Luckily DB and I are in on DM’s antics. She generally takes turns in having a favourite. When this happens, myself and DB counsel each other accordingly. Having a sibling who understands (and has got beyond the brainwashing) is a blessing

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WollyParton · 22/05/2023 14:34

midgemadgemodge · 22/05/2023 11:35

I see people are thinking as it's not a standard job that somehow she has more free time than she probably does

Which actually isn't the point either - it doesn't matter how much free time she has - it's up to the op how she created a life that works for her and how she chooses to spend that life

And there is nothing wrong in choosing that you don't want to be a carer for your parents

There is however something wrong in a parent demanding anything from their children

@midgemadgemodge Amen!

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 22/05/2023 14:41

One day a week is a lot! Old people can become extremely self-centred and demanding, even if they weren’t like that before. (Dh and I have the T shirts!)

Personally I’d just keep telling her - calmly - that you’re unable to do any more - and ignore any tantrums.
Easier said than done, though, I know.

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