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Dogs on leads, yay or nay

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Aibutousethisname · 16/05/2023 13:15

Genuinely interested in people's opinions on this. Should dogs be on leads in public places?
Yes =yanbu
No= yabu

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Chasingadvice · 18/05/2023 16:08

@OMG12 often those who 'prefer dogs over humans' tend to maintaining human relationships. Something missing socially. Says more about them than me Wink
Just keep your shitting machine on a lead and everyone but you and it will be happy.

OMG12 · 18/05/2023 16:32

Chasingadvice · 18/05/2023 16:08

@OMG12 often those who 'prefer dogs over humans' tend to maintaining human relationships. Something missing socially. Says more about them than me Wink
Just keep your shitting machine on a lead and everyone but you and it will be happy.

I have no issue with human relationships. I’m quite picky about the ones I engage with, some studies show pet ownership is actually an innate characteristic of human behaviour.

Have you considered getting a dog, they significantly reduce stress and anxiety

https://www.news4jax.com/news/morning-show/2023/02/28/pet-owners-are-happier-than-people-who-dont-have-pets/

Pet owners are happier than people who don’t have pets

Eighty-seven point three percent of Americans were reported as happier than the average person because of owning a pet. Our pets may be connected deeper to us than we will ever know.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/morning-show/2023/02/28/pet-owners-are-happier-than-people-who-dont-have-pets/

OMG12 · 18/05/2023 16:33

Chasingadvice · 18/05/2023 16:06

@OMG12 if it's any consolation I hate cats too

Do you need a hug?

keeptalkinghappytalk · 18/05/2023 16:36

Yanbu ....

GeekyThings · 18/05/2023 16:46

This is interesting, I wasn't aware of this, just looked it up - so basically on any footway (pavement, in layman's terms) a dog has to be on a lead anyway!

Doesn't cover things like crowded town centres that don't have through roads but still, I wonder how many dog owners are actually aware of that?

missmollygreen · 18/05/2023 16:51

hotdiggetydog · 16/05/2023 13:38

Seatbelts in cars

Yay or nay?

Are you a moron

Yay or nay? (pssst...its yay)

Boomboom22 · 18/05/2023 17:09

Once again the dog owners out in force proving how little of a shit they give about other people. Quite a few posters responsible for children and families no longer being able to go to the beach as they think its fine to let their dog free. And in the park. Most places in the countryside eg woods are also completely out of bounds for families too due to the selfish owners. And they are never ever in sight at all often take up to 5 mins, kids could be bitten and dead in that time and if they are out of sight they are out of control.
As for the poster who said people can't run as fast as their dogs, so what you let them be utterly out of control and can't even catch them?
Really I don't agree any dog should be allowed as pets but at least put a size limit on, labs are too big never mind anything else.
And the owners have no care for the utter terror they strike in the other half of the population who have to pretend they don't mind the murderous creatures or be ostracised. And no I wouldn't have a cat either but cats aren't in the news killing and maiming people at least once a week are they.

mondaytosunday · 18/05/2023 17:09

On pavements yes. In the park - depends on the dog. A well behaved one with reliable recall who has little interest in people can be off lead (one of my dogs), if they are a scamp and selectively deaf and like to jump all over people, then no (my other dog).
It shouldn't have to be said, but aggressive and reactive dogs should never be off leas in public.

Vikingthings · 18/05/2023 17:16

Yes.

I say this as somebody who has a dog with reliable recall, never leaves my sight, doesn't generally walk more than 20ft ahead of me without waiting for me. Is kept under control around other people, dogs, and children. I love dogs.

Too many people don't bother with having their dog under any sort of control, don't realise there are dog laws, and I would be happy to keep my dog on a lead knowing that we wouldn't get rushed at by the 'he's friendly' brigade. My dog doesn't want others rushing up to him, I don't want others rushing up to me or my DC. I have had severe injuries from 'friendly' dogs knocking me over, that have caused lasting joint damage. Nevermind the dogs that come up to you that AREN'T friendly...which happens all the time as well.

I am able to give him perfectly enjoyable and stimulating walks on lead and would love to know I could go anywhere without concerns around other people's dogs. We can't visit some of our favourite places anymore because it's become too problematic.

Chasingadvice · 18/05/2023 17:16

@OMG12 have you considered talking to someone? Someone who can respond back? Wink
It's okay to be lonely. I'm sure if you reach out there will be someone who will talk to you.

Vikingthings · 18/05/2023 17:25

I think there is a big lack of common sense around every dog related as well.

We were recently staying on a site of lodges that had maybe 100 lodges on. All dog friendly. Whenever we go there, DDog is on a lead at all times (as requested by the site but even if they didn't, he'd be on a lead).

We were going for an evening walk. It was dark. Somebody had just arrived and was unpacking. Their dog was walking around off lead outside their lodge (unsecured area). Ran at us, barking. DH picked up DD out of her pushchair to get her out of harms way, I held on to DDog who doesn't appreciate being ran at by a barking dog anyway, let alone in the dark.

Somebody ran behind this dog, lead him away and apologised...

  1. Why wouldn't you have them on a lead in an unfamiliar place?
  2. Why wouldn't you have them on lead in a dark unfamiliar, unsecure place?
  3. Why wouldn't you follow the ON LEAD rules?

Dangerous and stupid. But, common sense isn't common. On another day there we saw about 20 off lead dogs all who ran at us and I reported the lot of them to the site reception, we literally go there because every time we've been in the past, we've had a nice time without fretting about being bombarded by dogs we don't know.

Verv · 18/05/2023 17:27

Making the case that people who prefer dogs to people are missing something socially, lonely and starved of contact and that humanity is indeed preferable should probably be left to someone who doesn't come across like a weapons grade cunt.

Mumto1boyo · 18/05/2023 17:31

On a short lead and muzzled on pavements. I'm sick to the back of my teeth of fucking dog owners walking their precious pooch taking up the whole sodding pavement and lunging at me when I'm out for a run. I make sure I'm in no ones way when out running so why can't these selfish pricks?

Vikingthings · 18/05/2023 17:35

On a short lead and muzzled on pavements. I'm sick to the back of my teeth of fucking dog owners walking their precious pooch taking up the whole sodding pavement and lunging at me when I'm out for a run. I make sure I'm in no ones way when out running so why can't these selfish pricks?

Out of curiosity, if you aren't in anyone's way, how is the dog lunging at you on a pavement? Presumably you are running at a dog and person who are on the same pavement as you?

A dog can still lunge at you and will just slam the muzzle in to your leg instead.

My dog is always on a lead on pavements but there's no need to muzzle him. We do cross over when we see joggers, or tuck ourselves to the side. He will ignore joggers but it is common courtesy. Likewise, sometimes the joggers cross the road to avoid us if they feel like it.

Mumto1boyo · 18/05/2023 17:39

Vikingthings · 18/05/2023 17:35

On a short lead and muzzled on pavements. I'm sick to the back of my teeth of fucking dog owners walking their precious pooch taking up the whole sodding pavement and lunging at me when I'm out for a run. I make sure I'm in no ones way when out running so why can't these selfish pricks?

Out of curiosity, if you aren't in anyone's way, how is the dog lunging at you on a pavement? Presumably you are running at a dog and person who are on the same pavement as you?

A dog can still lunge at you and will just slam the muzzle in to your leg instead.

My dog is always on a lead on pavements but there's no need to muzzle him. We do cross over when we see joggers, or tuck ourselves to the side. He will ignore joggers but it is common courtesy. Likewise, sometimes the joggers cross the road to avoid us if they feel like it.

Because I have to either run onto the road and then they start barking and lunging at me from the pavement. Or in the instance this morning he saw me coming and refused to move when there would have been plenty of space for me to get past. But nooooo decided to not budge and dogs on extendable leads.
If I had to stop for every single dog then there is no point in me running. And I have chosen to run very early in the morning...I should not have to get up even earlier.

Boomboom22 · 18/05/2023 18:01

That's the thing the dog lovers think all times of day are theirs, early morning to dusk if not later too. Just selfish all round.

OMG12 · 18/05/2023 18:05

Chasingadvice · 18/05/2023 17:16

@OMG12 have you considered talking to someone? Someone who can respond back? Wink
It's okay to be lonely. I'm sure if you reach out there will be someone who will talk to you.

Oh yes I talk regularly to my husband and child snd my extended family and friends. We’re lucky to own quite a few dogs in the family too. We’re all really happy and friendly people so always have people to talk to💜

orangekiwiloot · 18/05/2023 18:07

BibbleandSqwauk · 18/05/2023 09:27

I can't take my kids on the nice country walks near us because one is v v scared of any dog and knows that it's quite likely there will be off lead dogs, scampering well ahead, sometimes out of sight of their owners who will not stop them in time from approaching us. It doesn't matter if they just run past, or have a quick sniff and go, it will ruin the walk for them and nowadays they just refuse to come at all. Yes we're working on it, but it's v annoying to have to pay ££ for therapy that wouldn't be needed if dog owners could just use a retractable lead on all but specifically designated dog exercise places. May -Sept is great because lots of beaches near us have dog free zones. There's plenty of space for both. I wish they'd keep it year round.

This is the same for us.

Autistic child with a dog phobia that isn't responding to any support. He won't leave the house to walk anywhere now because every single time we do there are dogs off leads running around - beach and woods are his sanctuary, he can't manage urban areas. The barking is torture for him and the jumping and licking repulses him on a sensory level.

I wish as a society we had more compassion for everyone, not just dog owners and their pets who seem to firmly take priority now.

Vikingthings · 18/05/2023 20:44

Because I have to either run onto the road and then they start barking and lunging at me from the pavement. Or in the instance this morning he saw me coming and refused to move when there would have been plenty of space for me to get past. But nooooo decided to not budge and dogs on extendable leads.
If I had to stop for every single dog then there is no point in me running. And I have chosen to run very early in the morning...I should not have to get up even earlier.

I'm not excusing people not moving for you, and dogs on extendables on the pavements really annoys me, but if it is problematic for you can't you run across the road to the other pavement (cross the road)? Rather than running in to the road and giving them a few feet of clearance? Muzzles wouldn't prevent dogs from lunging at you, it would just prevent them from using their teeth should they try to. Most councils also have bylaws around length of lead on pavements (where I live it is 1m although if there is a runner coming towards us I will generally shorten this and wait for the runner to pass - mine is unbothered by runners if not mildly interested in what you are doing) so if you are seeing the same people flouting the law, then report them to the dog warden.

Ultimately if people are going to ignore one law (bylaw around lead length) they're going to ignore other laws but they will soon learn when they're landed a hefty fine for failing to use an appropriate length lead, or a lead at all.

BogRollBOGOF · 18/05/2023 22:23

There are far too many dogs allowed to roam freely off the lead where the owners lose sight of them and have no idea what the dog is up to. When the DCs were toodlers we had a fair few picnics gate crashed in this way. It's also a disturbance to ground nesting birds; dogs should be on the lead for this reason in the local nature reserve but it's widely ignored and I've even had one tosspot argue that we shouldn't have taken a child into the "dog walking woods" after his puppy approached my 8yo, jumped up and winded him making him cry.
There's frequently dogs ambling out of the nature reserve and on to the main road and the owners haven't a clue. I've also seen dogs roaming from the nearby field, into the nature reserve well ahead of their panting owners and trigger an awful cacophany after approaching a dog with leads warning that they're reactive.

I've never had an issue with a dog that clearly indicated that it's reactive, because I don't approach random dogs and antagonise them. Leads (particularly very long ones) don't solve all problems, but I've had much less bother with dogs on leads than off-lead dogs.

I do a lot of quiet trail running, and the glitch in the quiet places arguments is when you get jumped up on because the owner didn't expect someone else in the area. It doesn't take much to distract many dogs into ignoring their owner and ceasing to be under control. There's also wildlife, livestock and crops in such rural areas.

My dipshit owner of the week award goes to the one that let her dogs chase the front-runners at junior parkrun and failed to recall them the first or second time and continued to let them roam lead-less despite the 80 children running around the area. Could have been avoided with using a lead.

Leads are not a substitute for good training, but they do reduce the risk of harm to the dog, other people/ dogs and to the surrounding area and are a useful and often under-used tool in responsible dog management.

Hugasauras · 18/05/2023 22:32

I always have my dog on a lead in places like pavements, children's play areas (not that I take DDog in those anyway), but at the forest and the beach she is generally off-lead. I do put her on lead if I see other people ahead, but she has no interest in other people, other dogs, children, and she gets such joy from running free in the sea, along the beach, in the undergrowth that no, I don't think dogs should always be on lead in all 'public' places. I do think they should be on lead in certain places, however. And it goes without saying dogs shouldn't jump up or be unable to be recalled, etc. But I want to continue to walk my dog off-lead.

Hugasauras · 18/05/2023 22:34

And I do genuinely feel sorry for people with phobias, but my dog will just go past, won't sniff, won't go near you, and I don't think feasibly there's more you can ask for. If that's not enough it's really unfortunate and I do sympathise, but I think that's just a problem you need to manage, just like people with all kinds of phobias have to manage other stuff in life.

ThisSoundsFamiliar · 18/05/2023 22:38

I love dogs and own 3. They’re never off lead in public and I think that’s how it should be.

Crumpleton · 18/05/2023 22:42

hotdiggetydog · 16/05/2023 13:38

Seatbelts in cars

Yay or nay?

Yay...
For both human and dogs.

babybythesea · 18/05/2023 22:50

I think it depends where you are.

I’m very rural. Farmland (where oaths cross it). Yes. Always. Town park. Yes.

Beach in mid winter when you are the only one there. Nope. Some of the woodland walks round me where you don’t see anyone. No.
From my house I can walk through my village to a little track into a valley with a stream. I have only met someone else on that walk once during the last five times I’ve done it, and they were a dog walker that I know from the village. I’m not putting the dog on the lead there either.
Near a road - always.