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Dogs on leads, yay or nay

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Aibutousethisname · 16/05/2023 13:15

Genuinely interested in people's opinions on this. Should dogs be on leads in public places?
Yes =yanbu
No= yabu

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OutIander · 04/06/2023 10:16

dancinginthesky · 04/06/2023 09:35

Wish other dog owners would heed the warnings of other dog owners, my friend was out sick having to take hers to the toilet and a man ignored her warnings and she couldn't get away fast enough but now on social media she's being slammed bc he thought he knew better and began yelling at her and her worst nightmare happened. Incredibly sad all round. Saddest thing is she's been spending a fortune trying on muzzles and trying to get different leads, and searching for a trainer to help this dogs anxiety and her weakest moment became her worst nightmare

I'm assuming her dog attacked someone/another pet? This is EXACTLY why high risk dogs have no place in society. There is zero margin for error.

BibbleandSqwauk · 04/06/2023 10:47

@OMG12 no I can't get a dog. Completely impractical and would be unfair on the animal. We have repeatedly done all that you suggest with having him around multiple friends' dogs of all kinds. He is ok if they are on a lead..he will even stroke them and hold the lead himself as he feels better there is an element of control there (again, phobia not rational). It's the element of an offlead dog not being control that's the issue, so yes, my solution would be that dogs cannot he offlead on narrow woodland paths where even a dog that 100% will come when called, is still going to walk / run at us when ahead of its owner.
Our local park has several large grassy areas perfect for football etc. They are all signed for on lead dogs only but no-one obeys it. I would have no issue with half of them being signed and half not, that way all could enjoy it and it would be easier to challenge irresponsible owners but it's all signed as on lead so I get responses like the ones on here that dogs should be able to run about.

OMG12 · 04/06/2023 11:01

Bringabrolly · 04/06/2023 10:08

Dogs should absolutely be on a lead in the woods, as otherwise the dogs will at some point run around out of sight of the owner and are therefore not under control.

Lol. My dog is quite happy toddling along, no danger to anyone, maybe you should stay out of the woods, what happens if a a squirrel crossed your path? If you can’t handle facing a dog minding its own business in the woods stick to the shopping mall/get help

OMG12 · 04/06/2023 11:08

BibbleandSqwauk · 04/06/2023 10:47

@OMG12 no I can't get a dog. Completely impractical and would be unfair on the animal. We have repeatedly done all that you suggest with having him around multiple friends' dogs of all kinds. He is ok if they are on a lead..he will even stroke them and hold the lead himself as he feels better there is an element of control there (again, phobia not rational). It's the element of an offlead dog not being control that's the issue, so yes, my solution would be that dogs cannot he offlead on narrow woodland paths where even a dog that 100% will come when called, is still going to walk / run at us when ahead of its owner.
Our local park has several large grassy areas perfect for football etc. They are all signed for on lead dogs only but no-one obeys it. I would have no issue with half of them being signed and half not, that way all could enjoy it and it would be easier to challenge irresponsible owners but it's all signed as on lead so I get responses like the ones on here that dogs should be able to run about.

You do realise though that it’s your son who has he issue here though, not the dog owners, although I agree if a sign says on the lead they should be, subject, of course to these areas being the exception rather than the rule,

But this phobia is likely to impact your son going forward. Have you explored ways of finding help? Dogs will be around all of his life, in most places he goes. You need to prioritise helping him over this, keep exploring ways to help him. My son had anxiety post covid, you keep going until you find a solution - telling dog owners what they can and cannot do to meet with your child’s needs is impractical what if the child behind him hates seeing dogs on leads because he tripped over one once, but is fine with dogs off lead, otherwise I guess you’ll just have to stay away from dog friendly places.

BibbleandSqwauk · 04/06/2023 11:33

@OMG12 please could you stop patronising me about my parenting. I have dealt with a number of anxiety related issues with my children over the years. I am well aware how much it impacts him and the family as a whole and I have sought professional help where possible. I am perfectly aware that most peoples' dogs trotting along and past us are absolutely not an issue and will likely ignore us. I have worked with my son for years on this. What I am suggesting is that there is some middle ground here which requires both sides to give a bit .... I'd ideally like no off lead dogs anywhere in public spaces, you'd like all spaces available other than urban and fenced off playparks. I'm suggesting that wide open spaces with good visibility, fine for off lead, but not woodland or Riverside narrow paths. What's your compromise?

dancinginthesky · 04/06/2023 11:38

@OutIander yes but it's a lot more nuanced than I wanna go into and it's a legal breed, and could've been prevented easily if a man didn't think ignoring a woman and yelling at her coming towards her faster than she could get away was fine.

My point is - we should bloody listen - service dog owners go through this a lot - parents don't understand that people aren't being rude saying no pls don't pet and think their kids have a right to pet the cute doggy bc they're only little. There's not really many other scenarios in life where people assume it's fine to break clear boundaries being asked for bc they decide they know better - goes for dog owners too - your dog might be lovely and harmless but if someone allergic or petrified asks you to stay back - they might have a good reason for asking you to stay back

dancinginthesky · 04/06/2023 11:41

Do agree with no margin for error though.

OMG12 · 04/06/2023 11:56

BibbleandSqwauk · 04/06/2023 11:33

@OMG12 please could you stop patronising me about my parenting. I have dealt with a number of anxiety related issues with my children over the years. I am well aware how much it impacts him and the family as a whole and I have sought professional help where possible. I am perfectly aware that most peoples' dogs trotting along and past us are absolutely not an issue and will likely ignore us. I have worked with my son for years on this. What I am suggesting is that there is some middle ground here which requires both sides to give a bit .... I'd ideally like no off lead dogs anywhere in public spaces, you'd like all spaces available other than urban and fenced off playparks. I'm suggesting that wide open spaces with good visibility, fine for off lead, but not woodland or Riverside narrow paths. What's your compromise?

My compromise is areas such as woods, parks/except play areas should allow off lead dogs, areas like play areas should not allow dogs. There should be dog free areas of beaches, maybe a cordoned off area of a park for ball games etc. dogs on leads round livestock. There’s many places that don’t allow dogs at all. That seems a fine compromise. Dog owners already accept there’s many places dogs can’t go, they are already compromising all the time. I’m sorry you haven’t been able to find a solution for your child yet, but phobias by their nature are limiting. Just as I accept there are certain areas I can’t take my dog eg supermarkets, most tourist attractions etc then you might have to accept that there are areas your son can’t go either and stick to the abundance of areas that are dog free. That is a compromise, are you seriously expecting dog owners to keep their dogs on leads in a wood on the off chance they stumble across your son when the vast vast majority of people there have no issue with a dog bumbling along. I know how debilitating issues like this are, eg I have PTSD but I’ve spent a long time (and lots of money) working to deal with these issues. But I take ownership, I don’t expect the world to change to get rid of my triggers, it is my problem. I find the noise cars make when you don’t put your seatbelt on terrible and can panic me but I don’t go round demanding car manufacturers get rid of this alarm.

People should expect off lead dogs in most countryside areas tbh.

im sorry you find suggestion condescending but I have no control over your reaction

OutIander · 04/06/2023 11:57

OMG12 · 04/06/2023 11:01

Lol. My dog is quite happy toddling along, no danger to anyone, maybe you should stay out of the woods, what happens if a a squirrel crossed your path? If you can’t handle facing a dog minding its own business in the woods stick to the shopping mall/get help

I've never been approached by a squirrel. Have you? But countless horrible encounters by off-leash dogs, bouncing up at me and my young kids, knocking them over, slobbering on them, etc. Unacceptable.

OMG12 · 04/06/2023 11:59

OutIander · 04/06/2023 11:57

I've never been approached by a squirrel. Have you? But countless horrible encounters by off-leash dogs, bouncing up at me and my young kids, knocking them over, slobbering on them, etc. Unacceptable.

Actually yes, I’ve had one run up my leg when being chased by another squirrel. Never had a horrible slobbering dog jump up at me though

Thesharkradar · 04/06/2023 12:02

dancinginthesky · 04/06/2023 09:35

Wish other dog owners would heed the warnings of other dog owners, my friend was out sick having to take hers to the toilet and a man ignored her warnings and she couldn't get away fast enough but now on social media she's being slammed bc he thought he knew better and began yelling at her and her worst nightmare happened. Incredibly sad all round. Saddest thing is she's been spending a fortune trying on muzzles and trying to get different leads, and searching for a trainer to help this dogs anxiety and her weakest moment became her worst nightmare

That sounds very upsetting, are they okay?

explainthistomeplease · 04/06/2023 12:02

I must be very lucky. Far from having had countless horrible dog experiences, I've had none! I think a dog once nicked a carrot stick or breadstick one of my toddlers was waving about. But we brushed that off with a laugh. Last thing I wanted was to help freak my children out. They've always adored dogs. Eventually (too late really) I relented and got one when they were entering secondary school.
I didn't grow up with dogs and tho I was never scared of them, despite my grandparents having a very lively spaniel, I wasn't desperate to have one. I'm so glad we did tho.
And I still appear to have been lucky not to have been frightened by a dog.

longwayoff · 04/06/2023 12:13

My much missed Welsh Border Collie walked alongside me for 10 years off lead. Trusted him completely and never let me down. My current dog, a mixed terrier, is harnessed with a collar as well. He's a nightmare in public, nervous and jumpy although not aggressive. Never been off lead outside and never will be. Little bugger.

dancinginthesky · 04/06/2023 12:15

@Thesharkradar nope 🥺 not really

ferneytorro · 04/06/2023 12:30

CurlewKate · 16/05/2023 18:25

@LittleRedYarny "In that 30 seconds that small dog catches a juvenile pheasant and kills it… I nearly threw up."
Sorry- you live in the country and seeing a dog catch a pheasant nearly made you throw up? Gosh.

Thats a bit mean, I don’t think living in the country automatically changes your level of squeamishness!

Thesharkradar · 04/06/2023 13:07

dancinginthesky · 04/06/2023 12:15

@Thesharkradar nope 🥺 not really

Sorry to hear that😕
it's not really clear from your post what happened though, did the dog bite someone?

dancinginthesky · 04/06/2023 13:10

Yeah when they were threatening its owner... too complicated to explain on what's not my post though.

chupachucks · 04/06/2023 13:34

Dogs should be on leads when asked to or signs are up. The amount of uneducated dog owners u meet on a daily basis are a menace.

If your visiting a place like a wildlife area or such like and there are signs to keep your dogs on a lead do so. There are numerous sites where ground nesting birds are breeding, including beaches and signs are specifically up to say keep your dogs on a lead. The amount of dog walkers who tell me well my dog is well controlled and won't harm birds is not the point.

Disturbance alone from a dog running around not on a lead is seen as a threat by alot of wildlife as a predator and disturbs breeding and care of young often causing them to abandon their young. Also can n many schedule 1 species the act of disturbance alone is illegal.

So please if you see these signs keep your dog on a lead you do not know better than thos protecting these sites.

Thesharkradar · 05/06/2023 12:52

Police data shows the force seized 479 out-of-control dogs last year under the Dangerous Dogs Act – up from 333 in 2021 and 336 in 2019. As of the start of May this year the Met police had already seized 154 dogs.

Seizures of some breeds, most notably the American bully, have become increasingly common in the last few years

44 American bullies so far this year – almost three times the next most common breed, the Staffordshire bull terrier crossbreed, of which 16 have been seized. In 2018 and 2019, no American bullies were taken by the Met.

the number of dog attacks recorded by police in England and Wales had risen by more than a third in the past five years.
There was also a large rise last year in the number of people dying as a result of dog attacks. Typically, about three people a year die from dog-related incidents in England and Wales, but 10 people were killed in 2022. So far in 2023, four people have been killed.The deputy chief constable Robert Carden, who leads the dangerous dogs working group, said: “There is anecdotal evidence from rehoming centres that they are seeing a rise in dogs with behavioural problems being handed in. It is difficult to know the reasons for this but it could be attributed to dogs bought during lockdown who missed out on key socialisation and have then become too difficult to handle in maturity.
“There are now police officers in all regions of the country focusing on dangerous dogs and dog attacks, working with officers on the ground to ensure that investigations are launched when it is appropriate and proportionate to do so.”

Since 2021, American bully XL dogs (and one American bully XL crossbreed) have killed nine people in the UK.

OutIander · 05/06/2023 16:56

Thesharkradar · 05/06/2023 12:52

Police data shows the force seized 479 out-of-control dogs last year under the Dangerous Dogs Act – up from 333 in 2021 and 336 in 2019. As of the start of May this year the Met police had already seized 154 dogs.

Seizures of some breeds, most notably the American bully, have become increasingly common in the last few years

44 American bullies so far this year – almost three times the next most common breed, the Staffordshire bull terrier crossbreed, of which 16 have been seized. In 2018 and 2019, no American bullies were taken by the Met.

the number of dog attacks recorded by police in England and Wales had risen by more than a third in the past five years.
There was also a large rise last year in the number of people dying as a result of dog attacks. Typically, about three people a year die from dog-related incidents in England and Wales, but 10 people were killed in 2022. So far in 2023, four people have been killed.The deputy chief constable Robert Carden, who leads the dangerous dogs working group, said: “There is anecdotal evidence from rehoming centres that they are seeing a rise in dogs with behavioural problems being handed in. It is difficult to know the reasons for this but it could be attributed to dogs bought during lockdown who missed out on key socialisation and have then become too difficult to handle in maturity.
“There are now police officers in all regions of the country focusing on dangerous dogs and dog attacks, working with officers on the ground to ensure that investigations are launched when it is appropriate and proportionate to do so.”

Since 2021, American bully XL dogs (and one American bully XL crossbreed) have killed nine people in the UK.

Imagine how much crime they could tackle if they didn't have to deal with dangerous dogs.

How much is it costing the general public to house these seized dogs?

Thesharkradar · 05/06/2023 17:52

@OutIander I'm not sure where dogs are taken after a police seizure. I understand that animal charities are all overly full, and presumably wouldn't want large dogs with that kind of track record anyway?

OMG12 · 05/06/2023 18:22

OutIander · 05/06/2023 16:56

Imagine how much crime they could tackle if they didn't have to deal with dangerous dogs.

How much is it costing the general public to house these seized dogs?

Imagine how many crimes they could fight if they didn’t spend so much time (pick one or more)

Dealing with anti-social kids (no one should have kids)
dealing with burglaries (no one should have valuables)

car theft (no one should have cars)

OutIander · 05/06/2023 20:03

Thesharkradar · 05/06/2023 17:52

@OutIander I'm not sure where dogs are taken after a police seizure. I understand that animal charities are all overly full, and presumably wouldn't want large dogs with that kind of track record anyway?

Some kind of holding facility, costing us thousands.