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Manyanaish · 2023-05-11T15:25:15+00:00

Where we live businesses are sending fb messages to say that they are having to reduce opening hours due to lack of staff .. they are paying well above minimum wage ( £ 16 ph) , and are doing this to protect staff they have as they are pushed all the time. the businesses that are sating this locally to us did not rely on pre brexit conditions . So .. what is going on ?

givemecoffeenow · 11/05/2023 22:15

Peppacorn · 11/05/2023 21:21

This.

I'm returning to the working world after a short career break and am shocked at the job adverts nowadays:

Hardly any employer wants to train a newbie/ career changer.
99% of jobs want very relevant experience.

As a PP said, job ads have a list of qualifications/skills as long as your arm but the company is paying peanuts.

Basically employers are taking the biscuit and looking for a unicorn.

90% of recruiters don't read your profile/CV properly, waste half an hour of your time 'selling' a job to you only for them to ghost you afterwards.

I had one recruiter asking me if I could relocate halfway across the country. Hmm bit difficult with multiple kids in primary school...

I was trained from scratch for my old role a decade ago. Recently it was advertised again and I applied and sat a test for it. There is no way anyone who hadn't done that job before could pass that test.

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Totally. Job searching is a soul destroying process now isn’t it?

BringItOnxxx · 11/05/2023 22:19

I see the Op hasn't screenshot/ linked to any of these numerous well paid jobs going? Almost like they are lying...

Garethkeenansstapler · 11/05/2023 22:22

Ponoka7 · 11/05/2023 21:43

It's getting impossible to get housed without being homeless and going into a hostel if you aren't working in some areas. Once your child turns from be you are hounded to get a job. There's very few Councils giving houses to full benefit claimants, what's made it more difficult is the lack of two bedroomed properties. You can't under occupy.

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Why shouldn’t you be encouraged to get a job if your kid is in school?

Garethkeenansstapler · 11/05/2023 22:26

wildfirewonder · 11/05/2023 21:50

There is no evidence for this being a widely-held attitude. Look around you and review the statistics.

This fear that everyone is going to stop working is based on a negative view of humans. Yes some people do bad things - but the reality is most people don't.

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I have looked around me. I’m a member of a few Facebook mum groups locally and there’s a post at least every couple of days by women on UC asking whether they would be worse off if they jacked in their job and went on UC, or whether UC will make them find employment when their kid goes to school. It may not fit your narrative but it’s the truth.

Crikeyalmighty · 11/05/2023 22:43

@wildfirewonder unfortunately what others are saying is correct (and I'm no Tory) I've heard it myself from several single mums and had someone work with us who was constantly checking this out- I've also seen threads on here asking similar. At one point when my son was small I was actually very little better off working due to huge childcare costs but I wanted to keep a career and my CV looking consistent. It appears many no longer give a shit about such things and are looking at the here and now rather than future prospects, particularly if they are single parents or have a low earning partner so likely to get higher UC than say a single 53 year old woman with no children at home. I also think allowing maintanance not to have to be taken into account for UC is a bad thing- meaning quite a lot of people are getting UC plus maintanance that leaves them not much worse off - if at all- than working and paying all the associated costs of working- childcare, travel, clothes etc

Petra198 · 11/05/2023 22:51

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 17:35

3BSHKATS thats. Ridiculous ! Turning a jib down just because you have to benin an office .
what about all the nhs staff .. are they supposed to demand they can work from home? How entitled .

But that's the thing, its not entitled its personal choice, if she can afford not to and values working from home more shes entitled to do so.
She doesnt owe that employer anything. Employers have dictated terms for a long time and now the tables have turned.
All of this thread keeps saying crying out for staff but want flexibility, what about a working parent who can guarantee them 30 hours a week but must be fixed times, the employer isn't interested, could they be flexible with their business to accommodate... in most cases yes but they wont and its shortsighted on their part.

Petra198 · 11/05/2023 22:58

ThisOldThang · 11/05/2023 21:30

Then wages will have to rise in those sectors. The market will resolve the issue by allowing labour where it's needed at the wage required.

Unprofitable businesses will go bust and those workers will be relocated by the market to the businesses that provide goods/services that are in demand.

This, the market forces at work

Tailfeather · 11/05/2023 23:00

Whiskyinajar · 11/05/2023 16:56

I'm on £13+ per hour. What jon is paying £16 per hour?

Maybe that explains it! People can't work out that £16ph is at least £30k per year!

Exchange230316 · 11/05/2023 23:17

wildfirewonder · 11/05/2023 21:15

Did you really, because this is the sort of bollocks that always gets trotted out.

It was the same old story on the BNP leaflets delivered in my area. It was outright lies.

It is always 'I used to know someone who said blah blah blah'.

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Trust me as a Nigerian myself, that poster doesn't know any Nigerian people.

wildfirewonder · 11/05/2023 23:34

ThisOldThang · 11/05/2023 22:09

Somebody a while ago posted a screenshot of a universal credit estimate based upon a family of four with one person earning minimum wage. The benefits entitlement brought the household income up to the equivalent of earning £55k. That's more than a teacher at the 'maximum scale' in inner London.

Do you not see how that can result in a 'there's no point trying' attitude?

What would you prefer to do - teach full time, with all the associated out-of-hours work and stress or work your exact 35 hours in a coffee shop (and be better off than the teacher).

What message does that send to young people?

I think you're deluded.

The fictional benefits that people talk about just bear no relation to the actual experience people have living on benefits in real life.

Yes on the calculator people can get a high number to come out. Nearly all of it will go on housing benefit or childcare.

Most people living on benefits are not living a lifestyle with high disposable income. The fact that wages have been falling in real terms is a real issue - wages do need to go up. Benefits do not need to come down.

Desiredeffect · 11/05/2023 23:38

I get more money working in a shop from when I worked in adult social care and less stress

wildfirewonder · 11/05/2023 23:42

Crikeyalmighty · 11/05/2023 22:43

@wildfirewonder unfortunately what others are saying is correct (and I'm no Tory) I've heard it myself from several single mums and had someone work with us who was constantly checking this out- I've also seen threads on here asking similar. At one point when my son was small I was actually very little better off working due to huge childcare costs but I wanted to keep a career and my CV looking consistent. It appears many no longer give a shit about such things and are looking at the here and now rather than future prospects, particularly if they are single parents or have a low earning partner so likely to get higher UC than say a single 53 year old woman with no children at home. I also think allowing maintanance not to have to be taken into account for UC is a bad thing- meaning quite a lot of people are getting UC plus maintanance that leaves them not much worse off - if at all- than working and paying all the associated costs of working- childcare, travel, clothes etc

More women than ever are working. Fewer than 2m working age women are not in work nationally.

You are perhaps experiencing confirmation bias - where you notice the people who say something that confirms something you believe.

This myth around worklessness is not borne out by the stats just now. We have low unemployment at the moment.

ThisOldThang · 12/05/2023 00:03

From tomorrow's Telegraph.

"It comes amid growing concern within the Government at the record 5.2 million Britons on incapacity benefits, jobseekers allowance or workless universal credit payments"

ThisOldThang · 12/05/2023 00:03

Exchange230316 · 11/05/2023 23:17

Trust me as a Nigerian myself, that poster doesn't know any Nigerian people.

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Wrong.

I work in IT and he was a former colleague.

Garethkeenansstapler · 12/05/2023 00:09

ThisOldThang · 12/05/2023 00:03

From tomorrow's Telegraph.

"It comes amid growing concern within the Government at the record 5.2 million Britons on incapacity benefits, jobseekers allowance or workless universal credit payments"

Shit! That’s the entire population of Scotland. Why are so many people on benefits when there are so many vacancies?

ThisOldThang · 12/05/2023 00:13

wildfirewonder · 11/05/2023 23:34

The fictional benefits that people talk about just bear no relation to the actual experience people have living on benefits in real life.

Yes on the calculator people can get a high number to come out. Nearly all of it will go on housing benefit or childcare.

Most people living on benefits are not living a lifestyle with high disposable income. The fact that wages have been falling in real terms is a real issue - wages do need to go up. Benefits do not need to come down.

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As opposed to what people with jobs have to spend their money on?

Garethkeenansstapler · 12/05/2023 00:15

wildfirewonder · 11/05/2023 23:42

More women than ever are working. Fewer than 2m working age women are not in work nationally.

You are perhaps experiencing confirmation bias - where you notice the people who say something that confirms something you believe.

This myth around worklessness is not borne out by the stats just now. We have low unemployment at the moment.

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But they’re not working full time. Many deliberately work the minimum possible hours then top up with UC because, well they don’t want to work 🤷🏼‍♀️ we are a lazy population reliant on free cash.

Ponoka7 · 12/05/2023 00:29

Garethkeenansstapler · 11/05/2023 22:22

Why shouldn’t you be encouraged to get a job if your kid is in school?

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I'm not saying that you shouldn't. Other posters are making out that you can just decide not to work and life is as easy/profitable as working.

ToWorryOrNot · 12/05/2023 01:03

I got my current job 3 months ago. There were over 100 applicants. It’s for a relatively well paid, school hours friendly, term time only job though in a really interesting and fun field.

Florenz · 12/05/2023 01:19

At the end of the day, it's an employees market, companies are going to have to offer competitive wages. Can't get staff on £13 an hour? Try offering £15, or £17, or £25 an hour. There's people out there who will take the job if you pay them well enough.

Tremm00rsss · 12/05/2023 01:20

My friends & work colleagues are all changing jobs for ones that are better paid. This in turn creates job vacancies

I also believe that things have changed due to
Being after covid, where people re evaluated their work situations
Cost of living increases

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Dinosauratemydaffodils · 12/05/2023 01:23

Why are so many people on benefits when there are so many vacancies?

I applied for a load of minimum wage type jobs last year. Got asked out by one interviewer and had lots of interviews but no job. General feedback was that I wouldn't stick it given my background. I re did my cv removing my degrees and voluntary work. Number of interviews dropped considerably as I had an 8 year gap with nothing in it (second degree, one year stand alone course and a ton of voluntary work whilst a sahm taken out) and I still didn't get a job.

Essentially I gave up and now do something related to my original career working maybe 10 to 20 hours a month as relief cover. Vacancies don't always translate into jobs.

Tremm00rsss · 12/05/2023 01:41

My colleague used to interview people for office night work

People work apply, agree to come to the interview & not turn up

People would come for the interview, be given the job, then not appear on their start day

People on some benefits also have to show on their job application that they have applied for jobs. So it may have been the case that they never wanted a job working nights, but they had to show proof that they had applied for the job.

TheThinkingGoblin · 12/05/2023 03:04

Garethkeenansstapler · 12/05/2023 00:09

Shit! That’s the entire population of Scotland. Why are so many people on benefits when there are so many vacancies?

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A big portion of those people will be unhealthy people that have been waiting for NHS treatment. Some for years now.

Thats why clearing the NHS backlog (7.3M procedures and rising now) is so critical.

Until that number starts coming down by treating people so they can start working again, those job vacancy numbers will remain high while the whole UK economy stagnates.

Yet another reason why it is economic lunacy to not pay healthcare workers better. Without them, there is no hope in hell of moving that 7.3M number as we have an aging society and the retired over 65s use up a lot of healthcare resources.

Nordicrain · 12/05/2023 07:00

ThisOldThang · 11/05/2023 20:37

It seems to me that Brexit is resulting in a more Scandinavian society.

Labour shortages are causing wages to rise. That will push up the price of goods and services to pay those wages and wage inequality will fall.

For example, cleaners won't be paid minimum wages anymore, because they won't be able to find anybody that will do the job for minimum wage.

I expect Britain will become a nation of the £10 pint and cleaners earning £40k.

With regards to benefits, they're clearly too generous in terms of allowing perfectly healthy people to fake invisible illnesses (long covid, depression, etc) and opt for a comfortable life of idleness. How we address the shirkers, without impacting the genuinely ill, really is the question.

hahahahaha, I think most scandinavian countries wouldn't love being compared to the current state of the UK!