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Why are there so many job vacancies??

392 replies

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 16:25

Where we live businesses are sending fb messages to say that they are having to reduce opening hours due to lack of staff .. they are paying well above minimum wage ( £ 16 ph) , and are doing this to protect staff they have as they are pushed all the time.
the businesses that are sating this locally to us did not rely on pre brexit conditions . So .. what is going on ?

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willingtolearn · 11/05/2023 17:53

@Inthedarkagain

I think you pretty much nailed it

Work has changed for the worse over the past 35 years since I started working.

Zero hours contracts, employers squeezing the maximum amount of work out of people including free time at start and end of shifts.

Minimum wage work needing qualifications, experience and many skills - also being responsible roles dealing with vulnerable and needy people.

Loss of unsocial hours payments, instead insisting everyone works unsocial hours, in fact hours are often 'we require you to be at our beck and call at all times' - for this we will give you a 6hr contract but expect you to work 40hrs when we need you to, but only 6hrs when we don't.

Furiously · 11/05/2023 17:54

DS was looking for a bit for a temp job during uni holidays and so many jobs were paying £7.50/hr as he’s 19 and that’s the NMW for that age. One job which was quite physical which he could evidently do way more effectively than someone 20 - 30 years his senior yet they get paid more.

So our experience was there are a lot of vacancies but lots are an absolute pisstake either in terms of salary or T & Cs

Alaimo · 11/05/2023 17:56

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 17:52

It sounded entitled to me .. in that many people have to be at work .. what makws someone so special that they feel work has to work round them . ? How do you think that sounds to supermarket workers, paramedics etc ?

What a bizarre comment. The poster has the choice between a job with conditions that she likes, and a job with conditions that she doesn't like. And you're saying she's entitled for choosing the job with the better conditions?

Kougarchew · 11/05/2023 17:56

Where i live people can choose their hours so long as they work as emoliyers are so desperate . Were is everyone

3BSHKATS · 11/05/2023 17:57

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 17:52

It sounded entitled to me .. in that many people have to be at work .. what makws someone so special that they feel work has to work round them . ? How do you think that sounds to supermarket workers, paramedics etc ?

What makes me special is that more people require my skills than there are people with my skills, so I call the shots at the moment. Hasn't always been that way, but with 25 years experience and at the top of my career they do have to work around me and pay me what I want and agree to the conditions I dictate.

Supermarket workers, paramedics etc choose their fields of employment and accept the conditions accordingly I would imagine, they too are free to vote with their feet, as very very many are.

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 17:57

No , its more the attitude .. wont work in an office x 5 days a week .. well plenty of people have to go to work x5 a week .

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Didtheythough · 11/05/2023 18:00

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 17:52

It sounded entitled to me .. in that many people have to be at work .. what makws someone so special that they feel work has to work round them . ? How do you think that sounds to supermarket workers, paramedics etc ?

But by that logic, even if you have a job you're happy with, you should always take a better paid job, no matter how inconvenient, just because other people have inconvenient jobs.

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 18:00

You are not special . I was also at the top of my career .. but i accepted that I was needed in the office / place of work as lives depended on it .
do you really think shop workers can vote with their feet ?? And decided they can work from home ?? Ha ha , real
world ?

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Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 18:02

I cant believe you think shop workers , as you said, can vote with their feet .. and walk where? ….

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3BSHKATS · 11/05/2023 18:02

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 18:00

You are not special . I was also at the top of my career .. but i accepted that I was needed in the office / place of work as lives depended on it .
do you really think shop workers can vote with their feet ?? And decided they can work from home ?? Ha ha , real
world ?

Oh ok then 😂

MandyMotherOfBrian · 11/05/2023 18:03

This thread’s taken a weird turn…

jgw1 · 11/05/2023 18:04

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 18:00

You are not special . I was also at the top of my career .. but i accepted that I was needed in the office / place of work as lives depended on it .
do you really think shop workers can vote with their feet ?? And decided they can work from home ?? Ha ha , real
world ?

As the OP suggests there are lots of job vacancies it would indeed appear that people in many sectors of the economy can vote with their feet.

EightChalk · 11/05/2023 18:05

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 18:02

I cant believe you think shop workers , as you said, can vote with their feet .. and walk where? ….

Do you think people can't change jobs? This isn't a dystopian novel where you get assigned a role at the age of 18 and have to stick to it. If someone would prefer not to have to go into work every day, why shouldn't they be able to apply for a job like that? Paramedics also have to work night shifts - should everyone have to do that too, to make it fair?

35965a · 11/05/2023 18:07

Because the employers are shit; they want you to be ‘fully flexible’ which in some means available for shifts between 5am and 11pm etc or they’re zero hours so not guaranteed. Nobody can plan their life - childcare or school or Uni - around this crap.

Livinginanotherworld · 11/05/2023 18:09

3BSHKATS · 11/05/2023 17:28

I've just turned one down today, 5 days in the office, I can't/won't do it. Employers need to realise the tide has turned it's not going back. Would have been a £10,000 payrise but after tax, NI and petrol and wear and tear on my car, no thank you

Why did you turn it down ?

BringItOnxxx · 11/05/2023 18:09

Can you screen shot these £16 an hour Jobs? Most I see are minimum wage.

pointythings · 11/05/2023 18:10

It's not an employers' market any more. Employers need to wise up, offer better pay and conditions, hybrid working where possible and none of this 100% flexibility but 0 guaranteed hours bullshit.

Lots of people in the NHS work hybrid. Including some clinical staff. There are a lot of things that have to be face to face, but not all.

Time for employers to realise they can't have it all their own way any more.

AxolotlOnions · 11/05/2023 18:11

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 18:02

I cant believe you think shop workers , as you said, can vote with their feet .. and walk where? ….

One of the many vacancies that you started this thread about possibly...

Lemon1111 · 11/05/2023 18:11

I earn £29500 and that is just over £15 per hour

manontroppo · 11/05/2023 18:11

I think we need to see the return of time and a half for weekend working, which used to be the norm. If you can’t fill the role, then it’s clear no one is prepared to do the job for the money/conditions you are offering.

That said, I have recruited 4 roles this year, from junior/intro roles to senior management, and have either appointed from overseas (and obtained a visa) or left it unfilled. UK candidates have been deeply unimpressive.

DontSetYourselfOnFireToKeepOthersWarm · 11/05/2023 18:12

jgw1 · 11/05/2023 17:42

One of the great advantages of Brexit along with soverignty and taking back control of our borders is that all those foreign workers depressed wages and so now there is a shortage of workers we are seeing consistently above inflation pay rises.

Exactly. I voted against Brexit but with mixed feelings and the fact that businesses can't import cheap and more easily exploitable labour and so will have to pay higher wages and treat staff better is one of the actual genuine Brexit benefits.

Hardbackwriter · 11/05/2023 18:14

Usernamen · 11/05/2023 17:50

The main reasons have already been mentioned.

The other thing that’s changed in the last few years is there’s now a whole host of new jobs that particularly young people do which means they’re not filling up retail and hospitality roles. Such as ‘life coach’, ‘breathwork coach’, and ‘sound/gong bath healer’ (these are just the ones I know from people I follow on Instagram).

This is in addition to all the side hustles that people are increasingly making their main hustle, like selling vegan skin care or soy candles.

I am reasonably certain that the number of people making enough money from 'breath work coach' or selling soy candles that they don't need another job as well is not statistically significant.

RoseThornside · 11/05/2023 18:14

Furiously · 11/05/2023 17:54

DS was looking for a bit for a temp job during uni holidays and so many jobs were paying £7.50/hr as he’s 19 and that’s the NMW for that age. One job which was quite physical which he could evidently do way more effectively than someone 20 - 30 years his senior yet they get paid more.

So our experience was there are a lot of vacancies but lots are an absolute pisstake either in terms of salary or T & Cs

I agree with this. Employers seem to think that they can pay shit wages and also treat their workers like shit. Expecting people to be at their beck and call for minimum wage. If you want people at your beck and call, then you need to pay well!

PickoftheMix · 11/05/2023 18:15

The cheap labour from abroad went home post Brexit and people aren't willing to slog their guts for pennies like the cheap labour did. Uk employers had it good for 20 years, now back to reality...

NotTerfNorCis · 11/05/2023 18:16

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 17:35

3BSHKATS thats. Ridiculous ! Turning a jib down just because you have to benin an office .
what about all the nhs staff .. are they supposed to demand they can work from home? How entitled .

A lot of people don't want to commute to an office every day when they can do the job just as well, if not better, from home. Nothing wrong with that.

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