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Why are there so many job vacancies??

392 replies

Manyanaish · 11/05/2023 16:25

Where we live businesses are sending fb messages to say that they are having to reduce opening hours due to lack of staff .. they are paying well above minimum wage ( £ 16 ph) , and are doing this to protect staff they have as they are pushed all the time.
the businesses that are sating this locally to us did not rely on pre brexit conditions . So .. what is going on ?

OP posts:
Antisocialfluffmonster · 12/05/2023 11:48

Dixiechickonhols · 12/05/2023 11:34

My dc is 17 and lots of her peers would be great at that type of role. They are mature sensible girls often with volunteering experience like brownies/guides and first aid qualifications. Or a childcare college student. The local primary after school club employs some of them (pays £5 an hour to 16 yr olds) so watching tv/making a snack with one child would be a much more attractive job.

The issue with hiring someone to sit at home, is not the age. It’s employment law. You’re employing them, that means you need to pay their tax and NI, provide a workplace pension, have insurance, pay holiday, sickness and maternity pay.

it’s why hiring a nanny is normally done through an agency.

then of course if checks haven’t been done social work will have a blast.

I did use au pairs as the rules are different, but equally you can’t ask them to work over night, it’s in the rules, so a work trio away was impossible.

It really isn’t easy.

Antisocialfluffmonster · 12/05/2023 11:54

Garethkeenansstapler · 11/05/2023 22:22

Why shouldn’t you be encouraged to get a job if your kid is in school?

Encouraged is different from being hounded. The current system takes no account of caring responsibilities, location, availability of public transport, your physical capabilities.

all of the evidence you need to submit online, applying for jobs you’re not even capable of doing just so you don’t get sanctioned.

being forced to apply for jobs you can’t do due to the childcare, being forced to apply for jobs that have terrible terms and conditions. Half the jobs on the universal job search are mlms…. Or zero hours contracts

m it’s not easy at all for parents these days. I’m very fortunate I have always worked and found jobs that with extreme effort I could make work with having kids.

m but I’m going to be brutally honest, my experience came down to sheer luck, being in the right place at the right time. I think a lot of people confuse their luck and advantages they may have had in the past with earning something. I didn’t do anything other than be lucky to get where I am. It could easily have been me struggling to get by on UC

Garethkeenansstapler · 12/05/2023 11:55

ThisOldThang · 12/05/2023 11:27

But they’re not. That’s why we have 5 million claiming.

Strong candidates aren't claiming, are they? They're snapped up almost immediately.

The last time I switched jobs, I had two banks in a bidding war for my skills.

In general, no. I think if you did a survey of claimants versus non claimants. Non claimants are more likely to be qualified for their job to some degree.

Garethkeenansstapler · 12/05/2023 11:58

Antisocialfluffmonster · 12/05/2023 11:54

Encouraged is different from being hounded. The current system takes no account of caring responsibilities, location, availability of public transport, your physical capabilities.

all of the evidence you need to submit online, applying for jobs you’re not even capable of doing just so you don’t get sanctioned.

being forced to apply for jobs you can’t do due to the childcare, being forced to apply for jobs that have terrible terms and conditions. Half the jobs on the universal job search are mlms…. Or zero hours contracts

m it’s not easy at all for parents these days. I’m very fortunate I have always worked and found jobs that with extreme effort I could make work with having kids.

m but I’m going to be brutally honest, my experience came down to sheer luck, being in the right place at the right time. I think a lot of people confuse their luck and advantages they may have had in the past with earning something. I didn’t do anything other than be lucky to get where I am. It could easily have been me struggling to get by on UC

But why should they take into account your location? If you choose to live very rurally, or cut off from transport links, it’s obvious jobs will be in shorter supply and hard to reach. You accept that when you live there. It feels like some people just feel entitled to a job that is only 100% convenient to them, when even most of us in employment don’t have that.

Ditto childcare. Working mums use breakfast clubs and annual leave and so on. Why should their taxes go to somebody who feels entitled not to work so they can pick their kids up at 3pm?

The entitlement of some people astonishes me. Working shouldn’t be a ‘nice to have if it suits your life’, benefits should be a last resort and stop funding some people to have a better pace of life or more convenience.

DogInATent · 12/05/2023 11:58

Garethkeenansstapler · 12/05/2023 11:55

In general, no. I think if you did a survey of claimants versus non claimants. Non claimants are more likely to be qualified for their job to some degree.

What's this 5m figure?

And what relevance has it got to the sort of job that uses panel interviews?

jgw1 · 12/05/2023 12:02

Shinyandnew1 · 12/05/2023 09:12

A large local employer here has always had an on-site crèche which has been very highly thought of. I know a number of parents at the school who work there and have used it. It is closing in the summer (citing inadequate funding from the government and changing expectations for early years), leaving 90 kids and 20 members of staff looking for something else. It’s been quite a big story in the papers alongside several other local nurseries closing due to rising rents/energy charges/mimimim
wage when the given funding per child hasn’t increased.

Childcare going forward is going to be a massive problem unless funding is addressed pretty sharpish.

Rishi has a plan for that.
Give lots of money to a company owned by his wife, who will then pass a small amount of that on to childcare providers.

Antisocialfluffmonster · 12/05/2023 12:03

Brrrrrrrrrrrr · 11/05/2023 21:33

Brexit really fucked up our workforce

Long Covid taking people out of the workplace, Covid itself made people rethink their careers

The youngsters don’t want to do casual menial jobs they want to be influencers

I mean it’s almost as if we are being encouraged to blame other ordinary for all of our problems instead of blaming a massively corrupt system based on massively outdated economic policies which have been proven over and over again not to work.

You claim young people don’t want to work when there are millions of them working for peanuts, being robbed off with crappy modern apprenticeships which are practically exploitative instead of what an apprenticeship used to mean.

its actually incredible that some people have found a way to make money on their own terms. Heck there is this lovely and hard working younger woman making mega money on only fans. If o didn’t look like a troll that had lost its bridge I’d be well up for that. Kids are finding ways to make money from nothing, bitcoin mining, using data to make money, playing games to make money. It’s bloody ingenious and as more jobs are replaced by AI the world will need that kind of flexible thinking for anyone to stay employed.

m this attitude is just as dangerous as blaming boomers for our struggles when the truth is they had their own, the world moved on, and their only true action they can be judged on is their voting record.

If we stopped turning in each other, life would be a lot more pleasant.

Spendonsend · 12/05/2023 12:06

Garethkeenansstapler · 12/05/2023 11:58

But why should they take into account your location? If you choose to live very rurally, or cut off from transport links, it’s obvious jobs will be in shorter supply and hard to reach. You accept that when you live there. It feels like some people just feel entitled to a job that is only 100% convenient to them, when even most of us in employment don’t have that.

Ditto childcare. Working mums use breakfast clubs and annual leave and so on. Why should their taxes go to somebody who feels entitled not to work so they can pick their kids up at 3pm?

The entitlement of some people astonishes me. Working shouldn’t be a ‘nice to have if it suits your life’, benefits should be a last resort and stop funding some people to have a better pace of life or more convenience.

My town/villlage is in a high employment area with great transport links but childcare is a real isissue it just doesnt exist in the type or way people need. Nurseries are closing, schools are struggling to staff breakfast and afterschool clubs.
Its really does need tackling at a society level.

Nothingisblackandwhite · 12/05/2023 12:12

Chowtime · 11/05/2023 16:54

£16 an hour not enough to live on. You need £30k a year to live comfortably.

Or else why bother? If all you're gonna do is work and struggle you may as well just not work.

£16 an hour is roughly 33 k a year

Jellycatspyjamas · 12/05/2023 12:28

Ditto childcare. Working mums use breakfast clubs and annual leave and so on. Why should their taxes go to somebody who feels entitled not to work so they can pick their kids up at 3pm?

I’d rather taxes went to create decent childcare. In my town 3 after school clubs closed post Covid, a number of childminders retired or found other work - it’s not a case of wanting childcare to cater for all needs, I’d be happy with after school provision of any kind. We have one after school club (which I had to remove my kids from following a serious safeguarding breach), and 3 childminders who pick up from my kids school. All are fully subscribed, I’m currently cobbling together enough provision to work part time. And as I’ve described up thread, it’s about to get much harder for me.

My town is a good sized commuter belt town, with a number of medium sized employers and good links to two major cities - hardly the arse end of nowhere but childcare options are limited and poor quality.

PinkCherryBlossoms · 12/05/2023 12:37

The reality is that some people can't work because the childcare doesn't exist. No amount of rhetoric, slogans or stupid comparisons are going to tackle that. Other working mums having a breakfast club to use doesn't magic one up in an area that lacks them.

Shinyandnew1 · 12/05/2023 12:40

jgw1 · 12/05/2023 12:02

Rishi has a plan for that.
Give lots of money to a company owned by his wife, who will then pass a small amount of that on to childcare providers.

Fabulous-problem solved 😂.

Unfortunately, Labour’s future whole plan for education seems to have no focus on education but on forcing schools to all run more breakfast and after school clubs to get people back in work. As schools can’t hire TAs to work between 9-3 (as they can get better paid jobs), the chances of finding anyone willing to work 7.30-9 and 3.30-6 on minimum wage is not looking good.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/05/2023 12:58

Tailfeather · 11/05/2023 23:00

Maybe that explains it! People can't work out that £16ph is at least £30k per year!

It's £ 33k

https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=%C2%A316+per+hour+as+annual+wage&cat=web&pl=ext-ff&language=english&extVersion=1.3.0

Mooshamoo · 12/05/2023 12:59

Brexit

ATerrorofLeftovers · 12/05/2023 13:17

That would be a struggle to live on in some parts of the country - eg London and the South East.

Maverickess · 12/05/2023 14:21

Garethkeenansstapler · 12/05/2023 11:58

But why should they take into account your location? If you choose to live very rurally, or cut off from transport links, it’s obvious jobs will be in shorter supply and hard to reach. You accept that when you live there. It feels like some people just feel entitled to a job that is only 100% convenient to them, when even most of us in employment don’t have that.

Ditto childcare. Working mums use breakfast clubs and annual leave and so on. Why should their taxes go to somebody who feels entitled not to work so they can pick their kids up at 3pm?

The entitlement of some people astonishes me. Working shouldn’t be a ‘nice to have if it suits your life’, benefits should be a last resort and stop funding some people to have a better pace of life or more convenience.

I wish I could afford to live closer to work! I'm priced out unfortunately and I'm on more than nmw. I couldn't afford private rent and there's nothing SH wise - there's a few empty SH places in the village I live in though, but nothing where the jobs are.

The bus service is good on paper and used to be, but due to a shortage of drivers mainly (not to mention the buses being poorly maintained and therefore breaking down regularly) it's now hit and miss.
I set off 90 minutes before I start work, sometimes the bus turns up and I'm an hour early (25 min journey on the bus and supposed to be a service every 30 minutes) sometimes it doesn't and I scrape in on time. Sometimes it takes me up to 2 hours to get home. I'm lucky I have an understanding employer and I don't have small children needing dropping off/picking up at certain times or other commitments (because even wrap around childcare closes at some point) so I can afford the extra couple of hours each end of an 8 hour shift should I need them.

I worked nights for around 15 years because it was better childcare wise, but then I was lucky enough to have a family that would have my child 4/5 nights a week - and I now have health issues thanks to so long working permanent nights . There was no childcare that enabled me to work day shifts starting at 7am or finishing at 10pm that included weekends. Childcare opened at 7am and closed at 6pm.

There's plenty of jobs advertised in the two tourist towns local to me, retail, care and hospitality - but not the infrastructure to support people actually working there, and not paying enough to live locally and walk to work. So they go unfilled.

These are the real issues that people face - but nope, it's just because people want to be lazy and pick their kids up from school and just live off benefits.

Furiously · 12/05/2023 14:53

Maverickess · 12/05/2023 14:21

I wish I could afford to live closer to work! I'm priced out unfortunately and I'm on more than nmw. I couldn't afford private rent and there's nothing SH wise - there's a few empty SH places in the village I live in though, but nothing where the jobs are.

The bus service is good on paper and used to be, but due to a shortage of drivers mainly (not to mention the buses being poorly maintained and therefore breaking down regularly) it's now hit and miss.
I set off 90 minutes before I start work, sometimes the bus turns up and I'm an hour early (25 min journey on the bus and supposed to be a service every 30 minutes) sometimes it doesn't and I scrape in on time. Sometimes it takes me up to 2 hours to get home. I'm lucky I have an understanding employer and I don't have small children needing dropping off/picking up at certain times or other commitments (because even wrap around childcare closes at some point) so I can afford the extra couple of hours each end of an 8 hour shift should I need them.

I worked nights for around 15 years because it was better childcare wise, but then I was lucky enough to have a family that would have my child 4/5 nights a week - and I now have health issues thanks to so long working permanent nights . There was no childcare that enabled me to work day shifts starting at 7am or finishing at 10pm that included weekends. Childcare opened at 7am and closed at 6pm.

There's plenty of jobs advertised in the two tourist towns local to me, retail, care and hospitality - but not the infrastructure to support people actually working there, and not paying enough to live locally and walk to work. So they go unfilled.

These are the real issues that people face - but nope, it's just because people want to be lazy and pick their kids up from school and just live off benefits.

I wish every Tory would read this.

pointythings · 12/05/2023 15:09

Furiously · 12/05/2023 14:53

I wish every Tory would read this.

Most wouldn't care. The current crop in government and their voter base do not want evidence. They want to believe being poor is always someone's own fault, because if they believe otherwise, they have to accept that it might happen to them.

Crikeyalmighty · 12/05/2023 15:13

@Maverickess yes this is a big issue too- people ending up moving a long way from good transport networks to access slightly more affordable housing and then finding bus routes no longer run regularly or they can't drive or afford 2 cars etc.

Housing is high on the list as a problem for so many aspects of life.

Maverickess · 12/05/2023 15:15

@Furiously

Wouldn't make any difference to those wedded to the idea that the whole problem is just people being lazy - I got tax credits for a lot of the time my DD was small, I'd probably just be told I should get a 'better' job, which is ironic because the whole issue here is that people aren't wanting to work in these low paid jobs with zero respect that don't bother to pay more than benefits - I wonder why?!

minkymini · 12/05/2023 15:50

Maverickess · 12/05/2023 15:15

@Furiously

Wouldn't make any difference to those wedded to the idea that the whole problem is just people being lazy - I got tax credits for a lot of the time my DD was small, I'd probably just be told I should get a 'better' job, which is ironic because the whole issue here is that people aren't wanting to work in these low paid jobs with zero respect that don't bother to pay more than benefits - I wonder why?!

I've got no problem with people claiming to make ends meet . Look at the expenses scandal and companies not paying tax . Do what's right for you OP and stuff what anybody thinks

Optimalise · 12/05/2023 17:01

@FijiSea ...I've 'contracted' a lot over the years so I've probably had more jobs than most, generally the reason most employers offer part time jobs is to be able to bring people in to cover busy periods and provide holiday cover, hence the desire for 'flexibility', I found this out many years ago when I tried to find another p/t job to fit around one I already had, in the end I left that job to go full time instead.

jgw1 · 12/05/2023 17:01

On the subject of scoungers, I understand that MPs are paid so little that they have to have their food and booze subsidised by taxpayers in the Houses of Parliament.

PinkCherryBlossoms · 12/05/2023 17:04

Maverickess · 12/05/2023 14:21

I wish I could afford to live closer to work! I'm priced out unfortunately and I'm on more than nmw. I couldn't afford private rent and there's nothing SH wise - there's a few empty SH places in the village I live in though, but nothing where the jobs are.

The bus service is good on paper and used to be, but due to a shortage of drivers mainly (not to mention the buses being poorly maintained and therefore breaking down regularly) it's now hit and miss.
I set off 90 minutes before I start work, sometimes the bus turns up and I'm an hour early (25 min journey on the bus and supposed to be a service every 30 minutes) sometimes it doesn't and I scrape in on time. Sometimes it takes me up to 2 hours to get home. I'm lucky I have an understanding employer and I don't have small children needing dropping off/picking up at certain times or other commitments (because even wrap around childcare closes at some point) so I can afford the extra couple of hours each end of an 8 hour shift should I need them.

I worked nights for around 15 years because it was better childcare wise, but then I was lucky enough to have a family that would have my child 4/5 nights a week - and I now have health issues thanks to so long working permanent nights . There was no childcare that enabled me to work day shifts starting at 7am or finishing at 10pm that included weekends. Childcare opened at 7am and closed at 6pm.

There's plenty of jobs advertised in the two tourist towns local to me, retail, care and hospitality - but not the infrastructure to support people actually working there, and not paying enough to live locally and walk to work. So they go unfilled.

These are the real issues that people face - but nope, it's just because people want to be lazy and pick their kids up from school and just live off benefits.

Yeah but you're being totes entitled wanting a home, a job and childcare so you can actually do said job.

LadyGrinningSoul85 · 12/05/2023 17:22

Garethkeenansstapler · 12/05/2023 11:58

But why should they take into account your location? If you choose to live very rurally, or cut off from transport links, it’s obvious jobs will be in shorter supply and hard to reach. You accept that when you live there. It feels like some people just feel entitled to a job that is only 100% convenient to them, when even most of us in employment don’t have that.

Ditto childcare. Working mums use breakfast clubs and annual leave and so on. Why should their taxes go to somebody who feels entitled not to work so they can pick their kids up at 3pm?

The entitlement of some people astonishes me. Working shouldn’t be a ‘nice to have if it suits your life’, benefits should be a last resort and stop funding some people to have a better pace of life or more convenience.

I found the Tory voting Daily Mail reader! What do I win?!

Seriously though, do you not find it depressing just now much you've lapped up all the propaganda like a good little puppet?
Can you not see the plan is to make everyone hate the benefits claimants so the government can carry on being incompetent twats whilst we all direct our hate at each other?

It's so depressing that so there are so many people like you around, and laughable that you all keep treating the Daily Fail as gospel instead of living in the actual real world.

What a depressing thread this is.

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