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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Any female insight welcome!

65 replies

Cluelessidiot · 09/05/2023 23:13

Apologies for the intrusion here - I’m not a mum or female but I have been aimlessly googling and contemplating and a few searches directed me to Mumsnet threads that were full of useful advice and thought I’d give it a bash.

im a few weeks away from 40. Currently living with my elderly mum who is in the last few months of her life. Challenging time but trying to make it as ‘nice’ as possible. I broke up with a girlfriend of 5 years two years ago, it was for the best and ultimately the right person hasn’t come along since. Not as easy to meet people in late 30’s and I’m usually v busy with my own business.

when I was 24, I did a post grad and met an incredible girl. She was 18: if I’m honest my mates ripped the piss out of me for her age, look back and cringe a bit. She was utterly stunning too and a nice person, we had a lot in common. Initially we had a ‘FWB’ relationship. She was hard to read and I played hard to get. Absolutely pathetic on reflection but there we are. She always seemed a lot older than her years and had recently suffered a very traumatic sibling death. I’m a bit apprehensive about revealing too much detail in case she reads here tbh but it was truly awful. She often spoke about her separated parents quite negatively and didn’t really reveal much about them aside from that she didn’t get on with her mum at all. She spoke a lot about her sibling and I was very conscious that she’d been through a lot.

I quickly fell for her tbh. She showed absolutely no indication she wanted more. We had quite an intense relationship, was much more than just sex. I could give examples but reluctant to do so incase she reads here. This shamefully went on for 4 years until one day she messaged me and said she loved me but had met someone. I didn’t interpret this to mean that she was ‘in’ love with me and frankly I thought about her for a good few years after and often thought about her. I learned through the grapevine that she’d got married.

I bumped into her at a hotel event last week. Absolutely out of body experience. She hadn’t changed a bit and was just as beautiful as I remember. We ended up going to the bar upstairs and chatted from 5pm - 2am but it felt like 2 mins. Long story short, I broke her heart. I don’t want to add too many details, but it transpires that her childhood was extremely traumatic and just thinking of how much she carried during that times makes me feel very emotional and protective of her. She didn’t tell me because she “didn’t want to put me off” and actually our casual relationship (with lots of affection and couple in all but name and commitment) really caused her a lot of pain even though she was quite embarrassed to suggest so. I could just tell. She said I was her lifeline at that time and the only person she had emotional/physical intimacy with. She was an absolute socialite at the time, friends everywhere but her family circumstances were very very difficult. I wish I’d known.

the chemistry was absolutely unreal and it was like no time had passed over the years. She is extremely successful and I’m really proud of everything she’s achieved. She is recently separated from her husband and has a 3 year old. I asked about her husband and marriage and she said that she had no interest in meeting anyone new because she’d never want her daughter to have to experience other men in her home because she doesn’t have the interest in meeting someone and spending time getting to know them at a cost of time with her daughter.

not sure where I’m going or what I’m expecting the advice to do but what would you suggest in these circumstances? We have exchanged numbers and have been texting multiple times daily. She’s not flirty but very familiar and we always did get along very well. Is it appropriate to ask to see her again? I am not usually this clueless but when I say that I can’t believe I am speaking to her it’s the biggest understatement imagineable.

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Cluelessidiot · 09/05/2023 23:30

Read my post again and I sound like a bit of a vulture. I suppose I don’t want to blow this opportunity and lose her again. If she’d contacted me at any point since i saw her last, id have been there in a flash.

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Lovepeaceunderstanding · 09/05/2023 23:41

She’s not pushing you away is she? She wants to encourage a relationship. You don’t know what that relationship might be and I don’t think she does either. She sounds cautious and understandably focused on her child. You need to tread gently and you must accept that her child takes precedence.
She is not exactly the same woman you knew, get to know her again.
I wish you well. 🙏🏻

ReturnfromtheStars · 09/05/2023 23:42

She was happy to chat all night and texting since so just do what you are doing and see where it goes.

Sorry about your mum.

PartTimer923 · 09/05/2023 23:42

If you're texting daily then she's open to the idea of getting to know you again. This may be romantically or it may be strictly platonic, but as she has specifically said that she doesn't want another man in the house, you should take that at face value, especially if she has only recently separated and she might not be in the right headspace for anything too intense. No harm in meeting for coffee or lunch or something but keep it light until she knows what she wants and has properly sorted through her feelings towards her ex.

PartTimer923 · 09/05/2023 23:42

If you're texting daily then she's open to the idea of getting to know you again. This may be romantically or it may be strictly platonic, but as she has specifically said that she doesn't want another man in the house, you should take that at face value, especially if she has only recently separated and she might not be in the right headspace for anything too intense. No harm in meeting for coffee or lunch or something but keep it light until she knows what she wants and has properly sorted through her feelings towards her ex.

stonedaisy · 09/05/2023 23:46

Wow it sounds like you might have a second chance with her.
Let her know you'd like to be there for her but no pressure. Let her know she was 'the one that got away'
Don't try and play it cool this time - wear your heart on your sleeve.
Ask her out somewhere nice for dinner and get her home safely afterwards.
Show her that you're secure, stable, trustworthy and kind.
Good luck

Luredbyapomegranate · 09/05/2023 23:50

Absolutely give it a go, but try not to go all in till you are sure you are both on the same page.

it may be that she really doesn’t want a committed relationship - and it sounds like you do.

UWhatNow · 09/05/2023 23:51

I would just be a friend and a listening ear to her at the moment. See where it goes but don’t put the pressure on. If it’s meant to be, it will be.

BeverlyBrook · 09/05/2023 23:52

Absolutely agree. Go for it. Take it slow.

ReluctantFishLady · 09/05/2023 23:54

It's a very good sign that she stayed up til the early hours talking, I would say. I've never done that with a man I had zero interest in. I feel like this could go somewhere. How exciting for you 🙂

Cluelessidiot · 09/05/2023 23:55

Thank you - really appreciate the advice.

shes very independent and very confident (not in an immodest way) but also very self deprecating and I get the impression her self esteem is quite low. So much of what she told me made me understand her so much better all those years ago.

I told her that I took years to ‘get over her’ and she found it hilarious and said that my “memories were not accurate at all”. Her opinion was that I used her and didn’t think she was good enough. She continued to see me because it was worth it to have the closeness with someone she trusted and she loved me. She’s very matter of fact about things and doesn’t speak with much emotion about it and was quick to say “that was then, obviously”, so perhaps she really doesn’t have any intention of ever being with anyone else again. I asked why this was and she said her mum had casual boyfriends and it was a nightmare, she never wants her daughter to feel uncomfortable in her own home and it would take her too long to date someone to establish if they’re appropriate. And basically she’s not interested in meeting anyone until her daughter is 18 so god knows!

that said, It’s not an all or nothing situation. V grateful to be back in touch and will be whatever she wants me to be frankly.

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Cluelessidiot · 09/05/2023 23:58

Basically, I’m on the back foot anyway cos she genuinely believes I used her a bit (I did I suppose, truth hurts) but she genuinely never indicated she felt like this. Given that she feels this way, there are obvious trust issues.

for what it’s worth, the fact she has a child is not an issue to me. I would always be respectful of this and ultimately I am quite disappointed not to have had kids of my own.

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ModestMoon · 10/05/2023 00:26

From the perspective of someone who at 18 dated a 24 year old - you were a full on adult, and she was still a teenager, the ball was in your court. Not surprising that she kept her feelings a bit under wraps, she would have felt like she needed to impress you and like she wouldn't want to come on too strong. I think it's nice you've met her again and she's single, if the relationship was genuine on both sides then there is every chance of rekindling. She's made it clear she wouldn't want to live with you, but she may well be open to a relationship.

Also she might seem the same, but be prepared for her to have changed. This also happened to me. DP has expressed surprise at how different I am as an adult, especially after having children. Have to remind him that if you're going to date teenagers you have to expect them to change a bit! Since he was already half way through his twenties he isn't actually that different. Also the dynamics of your relationship will have evolved.

LeMoo · 10/05/2023 00:39

Her opinion was that I used her and didn’t think she was good enough.

You need to take a hard look at why this was her impression. Because you acted like a d*ck and played hard to get maybe?

She was vulnerable and she felt exploited. That should be your key take away from this. From what you've written, she may well have been totally justified in feeling this way.

The chemistry may be there but so is plenty of warning. She's still vulnerable and you need to be clear in your own assessment of your character now about how you would treat her in the present and the future. Old habits in relationships do have a way of resurfacing so if you want to pursue this and not hurt her or play a part in perpetuating a cycle of trauma in her life then you need to be incredibly self aware.

I know it sounds like I'm being really hard on you but I don't think you're a bad guy, just being very honest about some hard facts (And I'm genuinely very sorry about your mum,life must be very difficult for you right now).

She is not someone for you to rescue, no matter how protective you feel or how beautiful she is or how guilty you might feel over how you behaved when you were last sleeping together.

She has learned to build a life while living with immense trauma and however keen she is to be in contact you need to remember she said she won't put her daughter through her having boyfriends.

My advice? Once you've really examined your past behaviour and how you feel compelled to behave now then you should put your cards on the table and respect any decision she makes.

For your own peace of mind, if she decides not to go there then I'd advise having no contact going forward or you'll be perpetually torn, confused and hoping. You don't deserve to suffer unrequited love and i think it would get messy.

Good luck :)

Cluelessidiot · 10/05/2023 00:41

Thanks - and you’re right. Makes me feel quite uncomfortable to reflect on the age gap. She was very young but really did seem much older and was the kind of girl who was at all the cool places and always just had her shit together. She was quite well known in our Uni town because she was popular and attractive. Irony is I thought she could get any guy she wanted and actually she was carrying a lot of very heavy stuff and had never been properly cared for (raised by elderly grandparents and her mum had addiction issues) and I get the impression that she doesn’t realise quite how amazing she is. She remembered all the key details of my life, even down to my sister and her kids and my mums name.

she’s the same in the sense that her personality is identical - she’s very witty and half full and just amazing company. But obviously she is a woman now and there are differences. But ultimately she’s still quite mysterious and a bit intimidating and hard to read.

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CuteCillian · 10/05/2023 00:44

Don't make things complicated. You get on and have loads to chat about. In you next text suggest a coffee at a time to suit her. Who knows what a friendship can lead too? But no rush.

Loria · 10/05/2023 00:45

I wonder if you know her at all.

Cluelessidiot · 10/05/2023 00:52

LeMoo · 10/05/2023 00:39

Her opinion was that I used her and didn’t think she was good enough.

You need to take a hard look at why this was her impression. Because you acted like a d*ck and played hard to get maybe?

She was vulnerable and she felt exploited. That should be your key take away from this. From what you've written, she may well have been totally justified in feeling this way.

The chemistry may be there but so is plenty of warning. She's still vulnerable and you need to be clear in your own assessment of your character now about how you would treat her in the present and the future. Old habits in relationships do have a way of resurfacing so if you want to pursue this and not hurt her or play a part in perpetuating a cycle of trauma in her life then you need to be incredibly self aware.

I know it sounds like I'm being really hard on you but I don't think you're a bad guy, just being very honest about some hard facts (And I'm genuinely very sorry about your mum,life must be very difficult for you right now).

She is not someone for you to rescue, no matter how protective you feel or how beautiful she is or how guilty you might feel over how you behaved when you were last sleeping together.

She has learned to build a life while living with immense trauma and however keen she is to be in contact you need to remember she said she won't put her daughter through her having boyfriends.

My advice? Once you've really examined your past behaviour and how you feel compelled to behave now then you should put your cards on the table and respect any decision she makes.

For your own peace of mind, if she decides not to go there then I'd advise having no contact going forward or you'll be perpetually torn, confused and hoping. You don't deserve to suffer unrequited love and i think it would get messy.

Good luck :)

Appreciate this and you’re spot on I think. There’s definitely a sense that she is quite guarded and I can understand why.
she said our relationship was confusing at the time because there was lots of affection and closeness and we spent a lot of time together. She said I was the only person to ask her questions about her sibling when other people (at that time) avoided the subject so as not to upset her.

im not suggesting I feel like I need to ‘rescue’ her - she’s doing quite well by herself from what I can see and is very successful in her industry - but I don’t think she has got all she deserved in life and I do feel very guilty to think that I could have been responsible for a lot of damage had she not been able to overcome her difficulties.

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Cluelessidiot · 10/05/2023 00:53

Loria · 10/05/2023 00:45

I wonder if you know her at all.

Maybe. But it’s amazing how quickly you can pick up where you left off.

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NeedCoffeeNowPlease · 10/05/2023 00:58

My friend was 18 and her husband was 24 when they got married. He got a bit of ribbing about the age gap but he didn't let it stop him.

Get to know her slowly as a friend. She's made it clear she doesn't want a man in her life and she's a different person now. Don't assume it's a potential relationship.

LeMoo · 10/05/2023 01:02

Cluelessidiot · 10/05/2023 00:52

Appreciate this and you’re spot on I think. There’s definitely a sense that she is quite guarded and I can understand why.
she said our relationship was confusing at the time because there was lots of affection and closeness and we spent a lot of time together. She said I was the only person to ask her questions about her sibling when other people (at that time) avoided the subject so as not to upset her.

im not suggesting I feel like I need to ‘rescue’ her - she’s doing quite well by herself from what I can see and is very successful in her industry - but I don’t think she has got all she deserved in life and I do feel very guilty to think that I could have been responsible for a lot of damage had she not been able to overcome her difficulties.

Then it sounds like you're coming at this from a good starting point (and you might be surprised how many guys do feel a need to 'rescue' women).

Just be careful - about your own feelings as well as hers (contending with the circumstances around your mum makes you emotionally vulnerable too).

She's able to speak openly about her past vulnerabilities and clear on her boundaries now which is a good thing but ime people who are openly guarded are so because they know that once they let someone in its much harder to protect themselves. If you don't 100% believe you can be the emotionally mature partner then don't even go there, there's too much at stake (for both of you).

LeMoo · 10/05/2023 01:03

Ime = in my experience

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/05/2023 01:13

If you don't 100% believe you can be the emotionally mature partner then don't even go there, there's too much at stake (for both of you).

I agree. You set a pattern last time that she has said didn't work for her and made her unhappy. Now you're feeling like you've gone back in time and everyone is the same and that's a good thing. That's a bad thing if you pick up the same pattern. You will have to make a conscious effort not to be the same in this (possible) relationship. You need to be open, honest, emotionally mature, steady, understanding. That's a lot.

However you genuinely seem to really like each other so there's something.

Also, when children get older they have sleepovers, friends, spend less time with you. She may never want to live with you but having a relationship only gets easier even without involving children.

LeMoo · 10/05/2023 01:27

Just to build on the need to be emotionally mature further; people who live trauma are not always capable of always being emotionally mature. They may react from a place where they feel in danger (emotional or physical) - of course, we all do this to an extent! But you will be carrying your own trauma from grief about your mum and however together and mature she seems on the outside, you don't know what her sensitivities are.

I'm not for one moment suggesting she's unstable in any way, just that even if you'd never met before you'd both be coming at this with a lot of baggage.

Having the ability to recognise when either of you is lashing out and struggling emotionally and then to be able to take the steps necessary to help that person feel safe again is worth it's weight in gold - but it's tough, which is why I was talking about the need to be very self aware. The same is true of her too, but you can only be responsible for your own behaviour.

Ohdofuckofdear · 10/05/2023 02:06

I'd say be her friend first and then see what develops from there.

That's how things happened with my DH, I'd been through hell before I met him and I was divorced with young DC,he was divorced with no children, we've now been together over 17 years and have 5DC and a DGC.

I'm very sorry about your poor mum and I hope things work out for you and your friend.