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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Any female insight welcome!

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Cluelessidiot · 09/05/2023 23:13

Apologies for the intrusion here - I’m not a mum or female but I have been aimlessly googling and contemplating and a few searches directed me to Mumsnet threads that were full of useful advice and thought I’d give it a bash.

im a few weeks away from 40. Currently living with my elderly mum who is in the last few months of her life. Challenging time but trying to make it as ‘nice’ as possible. I broke up with a girlfriend of 5 years two years ago, it was for the best and ultimately the right person hasn’t come along since. Not as easy to meet people in late 30’s and I’m usually v busy with my own business.

when I was 24, I did a post grad and met an incredible girl. She was 18: if I’m honest my mates ripped the piss out of me for her age, look back and cringe a bit. She was utterly stunning too and a nice person, we had a lot in common. Initially we had a ‘FWB’ relationship. She was hard to read and I played hard to get. Absolutely pathetic on reflection but there we are. She always seemed a lot older than her years and had recently suffered a very traumatic sibling death. I’m a bit apprehensive about revealing too much detail in case she reads here tbh but it was truly awful. She often spoke about her separated parents quite negatively and didn’t really reveal much about them aside from that she didn’t get on with her mum at all. She spoke a lot about her sibling and I was very conscious that she’d been through a lot.

I quickly fell for her tbh. She showed absolutely no indication she wanted more. We had quite an intense relationship, was much more than just sex. I could give examples but reluctant to do so incase she reads here. This shamefully went on for 4 years until one day she messaged me and said she loved me but had met someone. I didn’t interpret this to mean that she was ‘in’ love with me and frankly I thought about her for a good few years after and often thought about her. I learned through the grapevine that she’d got married.

I bumped into her at a hotel event last week. Absolutely out of body experience. She hadn’t changed a bit and was just as beautiful as I remember. We ended up going to the bar upstairs and chatted from 5pm - 2am but it felt like 2 mins. Long story short, I broke her heart. I don’t want to add too many details, but it transpires that her childhood was extremely traumatic and just thinking of how much she carried during that times makes me feel very emotional and protective of her. She didn’t tell me because she “didn’t want to put me off” and actually our casual relationship (with lots of affection and couple in all but name and commitment) really caused her a lot of pain even though she was quite embarrassed to suggest so. I could just tell. She said I was her lifeline at that time and the only person she had emotional/physical intimacy with. She was an absolute socialite at the time, friends everywhere but her family circumstances were very very difficult. I wish I’d known.

the chemistry was absolutely unreal and it was like no time had passed over the years. She is extremely successful and I’m really proud of everything she’s achieved. She is recently separated from her husband and has a 3 year old. I asked about her husband and marriage and she said that she had no interest in meeting anyone new because she’d never want her daughter to have to experience other men in her home because she doesn’t have the interest in meeting someone and spending time getting to know them at a cost of time with her daughter.

not sure where I’m going or what I’m expecting the advice to do but what would you suggest in these circumstances? We have exchanged numbers and have been texting multiple times daily. She’s not flirty but very familiar and we always did get along very well. Is it appropriate to ask to see her again? I am not usually this clueless but when I say that I can’t believe I am speaking to her it’s the biggest understatement imagineable.

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5128gap · 10/05/2023 10:22

Other than the fact she's gorgeous, what about pursuing yoir contact with this woman seems like a particularly good idea to you, compared with finding a relationship where there's a clean slate?
You have a history that wasn't positive for her and that is clearly still unresolved. This means you will enter any situation with her with issues already hanging over you, and a pre existing dynamic that you'll both have to work to change.
Add to this her child, and its a hard path you'd be choosing to walk.
As for pursuing a 'friendship', given your attraction to her, that's not going to happen in any real sense. A friendship with physical attraction is no friendship at all, its a fake set up where one person is mascarading as something in the hope of getting more, and very often leads to complications and hurt.

Cluelessidiot · 10/05/2023 10:48

5128gap · 10/05/2023 10:01

Quite honestly I think you've enough on your plate at the moment. Tempting as it is to create a diversion from the situation at home and carve out something for you, I don't think this is the right thing.
As a young man you may or may not have unwittingly exacerbated the emotional damage of a vulnerable young woman. You didn't recognise it at the time, and you can't turn back the clock and undo it now, so the best thing you can do is move on from that.
Tbh a successful woman in her mid 30s (?) with a marriage under her belt, wanting to rehash heartbreak from her teens sounds like she either still has some emotional complexities, or is rather dramatic. Either way, as gorgeous as she is, is this really what you need right now?

The opposite is the case here. Obviously she used to allude to the fact that she didn’t get on with her mum at the time but she never went into details apart from the fact that she was “hard work” and I knew she had a very close relationship with her sibling.

obviousy I asked how her mum was - just normal catch up conversation - and she told me her mum had since died. She commented that she had died from addiction issues because obviously I was shocked to hear that she’s died because she would have been relatively young (late fifties?). She briefly touched upon what the circumstances had been during her upbringing (wouldn’t really call it an upbringing) and I hadn’t realised at the time the extent of it.

apparently she broke off her marriage because she was left to do everything and her husband worked away a lot. From what she says, they seem to have an amicable relationship and she spoke positively about him.

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ProfessorFlitwick · 10/05/2023 11:11

Be completely honest, open and ready to accept her wishes. If you'd like to start dating her with the intention of starting a relationship, say that to her and leave it to her to decide whether she'd like that too. Don't be coy, play games or be a dick. She's been through a lot and needs clarity and respect for her wishes. I would advise against starting up a casual exchange where neither of you are really sure what the other person wants, be honest and respectful of each other. Remember there's a child involved too and they will (should) come first.

seventyfour75 · 10/05/2023 11:15

Let her lead it. If it's meant to be it will happen.

gwenneh · 10/05/2023 11:16

Yes I am prepared to follow her lead

…except for the part where she said that she doesn’t want anyone new. You’re convinced she doesn’t mean you.

She said that because she meant it. You aren’t an exception.

xyxygy · 10/05/2023 11:26

gwenneh · 10/05/2023 11:16

Yes I am prepared to follow her lead

…except for the part where she said that she doesn’t want anyone new. You’re convinced she doesn’t mean you.

She said that because she meant it. You aren’t an exception.

It's entirely possible that the semantics are important here - if she used those words ("I don't want someone new") she may well be dropping a massive hint and testing the waters.

@Cluelessidiot - the best thing, obviously, is to just let things develop naturally. If it goes in the direction of an intimate relationship, great. If not...great? How would you feel just being really good friends...would you be able to sustain that?

I wouldn't sweat the fact that you're not happy with how you were back when you were younger...everybody's an idiot at that age, in one way or another (I know I've got a ton of stuff from 20 years ago that keeps me up at night if I let it). The important part is that you're self-aware enough to know that, so talk to her about it. Apologise, if you feel the need to, but do it because you want to right a wrong, not because you want to get in her pants.

Deadringer · 10/05/2023 11:34

She sounds amazing. Go for it, but go gently, you broke her heart before, and presumably she is heart broken because her marriage has ended.

Cluelessidiot · 10/05/2023 12:25

Thanks everyone. I suggested a coffee next week and she seemed keen, so we’ll see.

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OneTC · 10/05/2023 12:27

gwenneh · 10/05/2023 02:46

she said that she had no interest in meeting anyone new because she’d never want her daughter to have to experience other men in her home because she doesn’t have the interest in meeting someone and spending time getting to know them at a cost of time with her daughter.

I'm curious, why you don't believe her? She's already told you what she thinks and what she wants.

1000% this

OneTC · 10/05/2023 12:52

I'm a bloke btw but you're a walking talking red flag to me.

You do sound like you've spent the last long time thinking about her and I think her comment regarding your memory is telling. I think you've romanticised aspects of your history and you're likely not being entirely straight with yourself.

If she wants to be friends then so be it, if she does want more you need to take a proper honest look at your motives imo.

Crumpleton · 10/05/2023 13:08

You're both much older now and obviously still like each others company and I'm sure the lady in question wouldn't have given you here phone number if she didn't want to keep it touch.
Don't expect or even want to pick up where you left off, that's all behind you. Leave the past behind.
New start.

You have so much going on with your mum right now so I'd take things slowly, keeping conversation light, general chit chat. Maybe let her lead the way and see how things go.

EBearhug · 10/05/2023 13:35

Just be friends. She's got a young child. You're going through a lot with your Mum, which will be stirring up lots of emotional stuff, and it'll get harder before it gets better, which can really cloud your judgement. If things are going to happen, they will in time, but there's too much other stuff going on for now.

Take care. Caring for a terminally ill parent can be a hard path.

Mumsnut · 10/05/2023 13:47

Prove to her what a bloody good friend you can be to her before asking for anything more. I have found that the older one gets, the more one values those qualities.

porridgeisbae · 10/05/2023 13:59

I would take it very slowly @Cluelessidiot as she's outright spelled out that she's not currently looking for a boyfriend for the foreseeable future.

Just be a supportive friend and maybe something will develop naturally over the mid to long term or whatever if she begins to trust you.

Don't proposition her- she's told you in no uncertain words where she feels she is right now.

Cluelessidiot · 10/05/2023 15:17

Totally get it. I’m not about to make her feel pressured, like I said, it’s not an all or nothing situation here for me. Thanks

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