The People demand that the Boats are Stopped.

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I keep reading about the Tory government working hard to deliver the people's priorities:

"Rishi Sunak and the Conservative Government are focused on five immediate priorities. We will halve inflation, grow the economy, reduce debt, cut NHS waiting lists and stop the boats."

Halve inflation (will happen anyway), grow the economy (vague), reduce debt (vague), cut NHS waiting lists (maybe by paying nurses and doctors more?), stop the boats (what?).

Maybe it's just where I live, but I'm not seeing this immediate urgent need to "stop the boats". It's certainly nowhere near my top 5 priorities for the government to be immediately tackling. If it was, I'd probably look at creating legal routes for genuine asylum seekers as a first step rather than shipping them to Rwanda.

Is it in your top 5 urgent government priorities? Are they speaking to the people and I've just completely missed it?

YABU: Stopping the boats is in my top 5 government priorities.
YANBU: I'm more concerned about something else and would bump Stop the Boats down the list.

Out of the options of letting genuine asylum seekers:

1. come to live and work here

2. drown

3. be shipped off to Rwanda

4. is the bad one?

That should have been that option 1 is the bad one. Stupid automatic numbering.

I couldn't agree more. My post was directed at people who were claiming that the situation with refugees was in no way comparable with the situation relating to Hong Kong immigrants who have been welcomed here, because they claimed that the HK immigrants are well-off and won't need to use state-funded services.

It's really time for working age adults, who are fit, and don't have a private income, to step up and actually do some of these jobs themselves. Rather than hoping for immigrants to come and do these jobs for them. I'm happy for people to come in to the country, work and contribute to the system.
Maybe we can citizen swap with those lazy arse adults already here who see this work as beneath them.

@KirstenBlest - https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/beg-the-question

You could just as well argue that lazy, selfish families should care for their own frail family members - it’s just throwing gratuitous insults about, not a thought through policy.

I'm not arguing for that. And it's not a gratuitous insult. It's a fact that many people here who could go back into work, don't want to. But they're more than happy for people to come here and fill those roles. It would be a great policy. Free up housing and infrastructure too.

So why bring in the issue of mass uncontrolled immigration at all, given that that is not what this thread is about?

The thread is about whether the boats are in people's top 5. This is one of the reasons why it might be in people's top 5. Hope this helps.

All these companies moaning about there being no staff are talking shit. There are people who would work for you. You just don't want to pay them a decent wages. Go out to a similar company with £10 million in a suit case and dish it out to people who will jump ship to your company. You'll find no shortage of takers. But they won't do this because they're greedy and have got used to immigrants being happy to work for wages British people wouldn't accept.

If they speak English why on earth not? A large proportion of the NHS workforce is already from overseas.
There's some horrible snobbery on this thread. Why would they only be fit for for menial jobs.
The two people I mostly work with are from Ghana and Mauritius respectively and neither of them are doing jobs that 'British people wouldn't want to do'.

It is a gratuitous insult. It’s a fact that you are conflating a lot of different issues and coming up with probably deliberately crass conclusions and solutions. Why on earth would another country want to donate its own hard working citizens in return for people advertised to them by the UK as lazy arses?

Arresting Australian tourists because they happen to stand near protesters is following which laws exactly?

Other countries aren't donating them. They're coming here of their own accord. On the boats. Remember?

I watched Question Time last night where the issue of Stopping the boats was the first question. Most people said it wasn't high on their list of priorities. What most wanted was for the government to speed up the application process so asylum seekers could settle quickly and criminal chancers sent home.

According to Nick Ferrari the average processing time in the UK is 18 months. 18 months where they have to be housed and kept by the tax payers. The stupid millions invested in the Rwanda scheme and Asylum hotels would be much better spent on processing the people who come to this country. But I'm guessing no Tory cronies benefit from an efficient, effective process.

And you said we should do a citizen swap, remember?

I did. Yes. Quite happy to return our lazy people to where the others came from 👍

If you let them in, and let them work, how many more will come? Wages will fall back to what they were pre-Brexit which kind of defeats the point.

Why on earth would another country want to donate its own hard working citizens

Although, interesting, how do you know they're hardworking? Surely we wouldn't know that until they started working? I mean, I'm sure some will be. But human nature is human nature. And some people don't like to work. That's why we've got such problems filling posts in the first place.

Yes, a lot of us disapprove of these policies. But there's not much we can do about it. We're not going to invade Japan to enforce regime change FFS!

There's not that much we can do about Poland either; but if it's a member of the EU, and breaking EU guidelines, the EU have a right to complain.

Also, Poland is nearer. Self-centered it may be, but I admit to getting a bit more worked up about Poland, because none of my ancestors ever had to leave South Korea because of hostility toward them for not fitting in with their monocultural identity. Whereas some of my Jewish ancestors did leave Poland due to antisemitism and the threat of pogroms.

Ideally we'd have a vote in favour of removing illegal immigrants.

Those who vote against will then have a special tax levied against them to fund supporting illegals.

Allows the self-righteous to be more proud of their achievement. And removes the burden from the sensible!

Only when people are made to put their money where their mouth is will we see people's real convictions. At the moment they simply hide behind other people's money.

We can’t “return” people who have never been there. As I said - deliberately crass.

Completely agree. Few people would be in favour of mass immigration if they personally were held responsible for the ramifications. They just want cheap compliant servants who will wait on them hand and foot, bring them food, build them extensions on their homes, look after their elderly relatives, but they aren't prepared to pay for any of it.

If they’re not prepared to pay for their extensions, that’s more modern day slavery than servitude… Are you deliberately making silly points and suggestions?

I didn't expect to see you arguing for pay rises for teachers, Florenz.