Well, I hated the coronation…

[TheColourofspring]

I can see I am in the minority on here but I found yesterday to be distasteful on a gigantic scale. To watch the most privileged people travel in gold coaches & be decorated with diamonds and gold that is priceless in the face of millions of people struggling to eat/heat their homes just feels so wrong.

Our primary school has just opened a food bank. There are kids & families in crisis- children coming into school hungry & smelly as families can’t afford to wash clothes (I am not joking) - living in Dickensian conditions. Some of the teaching staff use the foodbank.

Yesterday was a display of obscene wealth. The royals didn’t even pay for it- we did. How can we find money for that absolute nonsense yet we can’t find money for large swathes of the population to feed themselves.

While Charles was sitting there in his gold costume holding these priceless items, plenty of families weren’t eating. It made me really angry.

I am tired of all the arguments for a royal family- how somehow these displays are quaint. Yesterday was an obscene display of wealth, inherited privilege and everything that’s wrong with this country. Seems a conversation about the royals is long overdue.

When someone focuses on spelling to the point where they blatantly ignore your argument, you know they've nothing else left in the tank.

Don't worry about it! 👍

Keep moving!

You sound positively unhinged. Like a brainwashed cult member! And your posts have been spectacularly rude, borderline personal attacks, so I'd probably stop calling other people unpleasant when you are posting walls of text peppered with insults 🙄

Violence always holds back society, believe me. And Violence is NOT democratic.

I agree with this and it’s odd posters look up to rioting and violence on here. Maybe it’s just an mn foible and the reality of destruction in their own communities wouldn’t be so admired.

@TheColourofspring

I can't understand why people are contradicting you about parents being unable to buy soap.

I know a woman who literally has to wash her clothes with the cheapest bottle of Asda Own body wash. I

t costs less than 50p and yet it has to do her and er three children all week, including washing their clothes in it. Sometimes, all three of them stand in the shower wearing their clothes so that it does a (not very good) job of washing them, their hair and their clothes at the same time.

There is no family help. and, contary to popular belief, she does not get all her rent paid, she has to fish a chunk out of it out of her arse-not easy,

What can be done? Well, for a start benefits should be the same as the average wage, a universal citizen wage or, failing that, all housing costs should be paid by the goverment and should be for anyone on Universal Credit.

paying only some of it and expecting people to magic the rest of it, is just plain cruel in a so near but so far way. It's terrible to think that there are those amongst us who would begrudge a mother dignity through proper finance.

Anyway, that won't happen but I'm very sure that Katherine and Camilla didn't smell of Asda's own bodywash-more likely some very expensive fragrance and what's fair about that.

'Well, for a start benefits should be the same as the average wage'.......

How does this work?

for a start benefits should be the same as the average wage

Have you ever visited planet earth? Sorry to be rude, but I really do wonder whether some people on here live in cloud cuckoo land.

Why would people work for a less than average wage when they could sign on and get an average wage?

Well, I guess they know the average wage!

But I suppose , in an ideal world the mimimum wage would be raised to £ 20 an hour for a 40 hour week and Universal Credit claimants given the same-so they would still be on a low wage, if that suits you better!

Most people can't work for a reason-disabled/SEN needs for them or children/anxiety/ studying/domestic abuse/ and keeping them in degrading conditions is punishing them for something that is usually beyond their control.

So why would anyone take a minimum wage job when they could claim and get the same?

Search the universal credit threads on here. Probably half of them claim because ‘otherwise I wouldn’t be able to pick my kids up from school’ or similar. Very few of them have circumstances where it is very clear they cannot work under any circumstances, or have been made redundant (in fact I don’t think I’ve seen any threads citing redundancy).

Oh it was the parents lack of insight I was disparaging, apologies if that was unclear. I am not trying to change anyone's mind, simply explaining why I think its a strangely superficial thought process about something so big and divisive

One of my children has a seizure disorder, yes I manage to work but my God it's hard and has impacted both our careers. If I didn't have a well paid career I'd worked hard for and instead had a poorly paid job I'd struggle to put us all through it. Why so little sympathy for this requiring small amounts from the system but so much sympathy for royal family members who get millions?

All cult people do this - there are lots of studies on it. Personal insults, anger, mockery if you dare to have a different opinion or say, for example, that Anne's hat at the coronation looked like a pirate etc, or dared to have the right to democratically protest. It's the angry unraveling that is a classic sign! Watching these threads on the coronation makes me feel like David Attenborough 😁

It's strange to me that you lack the understanding of how many nations around the world are horrified at the continuation of the British monarchy. The harm they have caused worldwide over the past few centuries. Goodness you're very upset that not everyone worships their greatness, I wonder if they'd give a shit about you?

It's strange to me that you lack the understanding of how many nations around the world are horrified at the continuation of the British monarchy.

Why ours in particular? I’d have thought they’d be much more horrified by the Middle Eastern countries that still have absolute monarchs.

It's strange to me that you lack the understanding of how many nations around the world are horrified at the continuation of the British monarchy.

I don't think most of them give a shit; plenty have royals of their own and for all the faults of this country, there are quite a few others whose horrors would largely outweigh a constitutional monarchy.

How many middle eastern countries caused quite the level of disruption, chaos and division the British 'empire' caused?

What a silly comment. The thread now has 1,800+ votes and 800+ comments.

Aye, it's a bit of anonymous online bravado to post nonsense like "Let's be like the French!". Their society has been more unstable constitutionally than the British one has, historically.

You're correct such posters really wouldn't admire the kind of destruction seem in Paris on their own doorstep.

This gives excellent historical information on Daniel Cohn-Bendit aka Danny The Red, Paris Riots and the link with the Battle Of The Bogside in Londonderry, Northern Ireland.

https://irishpeaceprocess.blog/2023/01/15/daniel-cohn-bendit-danny-the-red-and-the-battle-of-bogside/

French President De Galle had to leave France for West Germany for a time and Danny The Red caused problems in mainland UK as well.

Newspaper covers from the time is included and you can see where Irish Republicans took a lot of inspiration from.

History shows that peaceful protests are quite often overtaken by extreme agitators who cause major societal malaise. France almost went to civil war whilst Northern Ireland's Civil Rights Association had been infiltrated by the IRA who then turned it all into violence.

A few naive posters here would do well to reflect on this history. It's a good starting point too for why protesters shouldn't be allowed to disrupt public Royal events such as the Coronation of the Monarch too.

This thread has devolved into bad 'fifth form homework' style posts about bits of history to prove a point poorly.

Off-topic but the civil rights movement in the 6 counties was on the back of hundreds of years of colonial oppression by the British and post partition the gerrymandering by the Protestant majority of housing, employment and such like and something that Ian Paisley freely admitted to. It was armed loyalist paramilitaries that upped the ante on the peaceful civil rights protest so much so that the catholic communities welcomed the intervention of the British army in the beginning.

Agree entirely @TheColourofspring

Quite a lot. The countries are different configurations now, of course. But the Ottoman, Habsburg and Russian empires all caused their fair share of disruption, chaos and division. In any event, I thought we were discussing modern monarchies, of which the British is definitely on the benign side.

So what is the answer. The RF sell up everything and give all state crowns, gold etc away? I felt it is a bit odd but the ceremony itself was very religious and not all about money. I think king C finds it embarrassing but feel he tries to serve and help as much as his days allow him to. Yes there is wealth but plenty of billionaires on this planet who give away about 1% of wealth & prob for tax reasons. I find them better than politicians & def better than celebrities.

Think that may have been before water companies poured sewage into them, and add to that farming run off. I don't think I'd chance it. Only 3% of rivers accessible says RSPB. Why do I even need to explain this.

Off with my box of non-bio to scrub the duvet. Luckily nearest river in park, lots of rats though....

I agree with the OP, Not in favour of the monarchy - certainly not in their current state, if at all. The time of the 'divine rights of kings/queens' has long gone in my view. I did admire the queen but happy for her to have been the last.

The comment about washing clothes in rivers...