Well, I hated the coronation…

[TheColourofspring]

I can see I am in the minority on here but I found yesterday to be distasteful on a gigantic scale. To watch the most privileged people travel in gold coaches & be decorated with diamonds and gold that is priceless in the face of millions of people struggling to eat/heat their homes just feels so wrong.

Our primary school has just opened a food bank. There are kids & families in crisis- children coming into school hungry & smelly as families can’t afford to wash clothes (I am not joking) - living in Dickensian conditions. Some of the teaching staff use the foodbank.

Yesterday was a display of obscene wealth. The royals didn’t even pay for it- we did. How can we find money for that absolute nonsense yet we can’t find money for large swathes of the population to feed themselves.

While Charles was sitting there in his gold costume holding these priceless items, plenty of families weren’t eating. It made me really angry.

I am tired of all the arguments for a royal family- how somehow these displays are quaint. Yesterday was an obscene display of wealth, inherited privilege and everything that’s wrong with this country. Seems a conversation about the royals is long overdue.

That’s what I think about all the gold and jewels. It’s hardly like the country has purchased a tonne of gold for the coronation. They can’t really do anything with it all anyway if they want to - and most of the time it’s on display to the nation (Tower of London and other places) also bringing in tourist money.

Most of the money spent was on security and that’s what it is. I didn’t see a huge display of wealth this weekend as such, it just seemed more like a live touring production of a museum exhibition or history lesson. The stuff they wore and paraded around all existed last week too.. but that was ok because it wasn’t on TV?

All public events are policed and no-one actually has a democratic right to disrupt any public event of any description.

Circular Reasoning - "Why does your right to watch an uninterrupted coronation trump the rights of those who wish to protest the event itself to the point their rights are literally policed?"

You could just as easily say, "why does your right to protest a public event trump someone else's right to enjoy said event uninterrupted?"

The reality has always been that nobody has a democratic right to disrupt any public event, Royal or otherwise.

Every single public event is policed.

There is still the democratic, some might say sensible option to protest in another location and on another day.

Protest, in order to work must create some level of notice or disruption.

Protesting the coronation on a day that is not coronation day in a location that is not the location of the coronation makes no sense at all.

Policing of public events should be to prevent violence, anti social behaviour, defacement of property. If the democratic right to protest is policed how exactly is it a right?

Oh how lovely, someone liked the shiney shiney. 💕

A lot of people did. Obviously you weren’t watching so you failed to see the crowds filling The Mall.

To spell it out: if the voters say end of spending on RF and more spending on the NHS then the government will follow.

Nope. Other posters have covered this.

That just isn’t true. The NHS budget would be far bigger now, we’d be training more staff and payrises would be funded if governments took any notice of voters’ wishes.

Yes we do - you read the manifestos and choose which parties are align with what you want your money spent on, and if you don’t like what they do vote them out.

You can punish Rishi in the next GE if you don’t like what he did with your money.

And if what you want doesn’t appear in any manifesto? Or it’s promised and then conveniently forgotten? It’s a ridiculously simplistic and naive view.

Well you do need to vote for the parties that support the NHS rather than the party trying to dismantle it…

It’s no good voting Tory and expecting NHS investment.

My point is if you're entire thinking is limited to 'oooh shiney' then yeah, you'll enjoy the shiney shiney. Not much of an argument though

I totally think we should get rid of them and give the £3 a year back to each household. This wiilll make a huge difference and ensure every household can afford a meal.

Obviously. Shame about first past the post where the Tories get in with a minority of votes, isn’t it?

NHS is always in manifestos.

I’m just explaining how democracy works. In the U.K. people are so passive and apathetic politically - many make no connection between democracy and demos. And when demos are given a direct vote in its future they fuck it up by not doing enough research.

Certainly is. But that’s not my fault as I support PR and I’ve never voted Tory.

I couldn't agree more. I can't imagine the obscene amount of money spent over those few days and we the tax payers paid for all of it. The only positive I can see out of it all is it gave the economy a boost. It's scandalous when we are going through a cost of living crisis atm.

Not once did you attempt to talk about the balance of rights there. You didn't even touch my point at all.

Disruption of public events can itself lead to violence and policing in the 21st Century is built upon the idea of preventing such situations where possible. Just look at what happened to Extinction Rebellion disruption. Some were very close to violence. One was dragged right off a train and chucked onto the concrete ground.

Nobody has a democratic right to disrupt any public event others intend to enjoy. Nobody.

Republic protesters can do what Scottish Separatists do.....organise their own events and do a wee march around. Maybe even double their members back around the route to make themselves look bigger than they actually are. And have two or more flags per person to appear bigger too!

But Republic aren't going to do that because they know their numbers are tiny in comparison.

Rights are always having to be counterbalanced. The peelers weren't using excessive force.

No contradiction.

Any debate will potentially involve offending those who do not share the opposing view. Whether this be transgender, Brexit or immigration topics.

This is a fundamental part of any debate.

However your right to protest does not trump or mean you have a right to disrupt another's celebrations on the the day of the coronation.

By all means protest next weekend in your town centre against the monarchy and I will happily support your right to do so regardless of whether this offends ardent royalists.

We are a Representative Democracy and NOT a Direct Democracy, so the Taxpayer has zero say in how the nation spends its money.

Allowing them to do so would be chaotic. Some would choose to not fund the British Armed Forces which we need. Others might refuse to fund schools. And so on.

No, our elected Government and representatives in Parliament decide all that. That is democracy in action.

The only time we're a Direct Democracy is when we have a referendum on a single issue. These are not regular.

Your comments aren't going to win anyone over to the republican side. Disparaging a child's enjoyment isn't particularly clever

I’m just explaining how democracy works

Thank you. I’ve known that for over 50 years so you could have saved your oversimplified and patronising explanation.

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This. ^

Just doesn't want to admit they were there more like.