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Well, I hated the coronation…

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TheColourofspring · 07/05/2023 06:02

I can see I am in the minority on here but I found yesterday to be distasteful on a gigantic scale. To watch the most privileged people travel in gold coaches & be decorated with diamonds and gold that is priceless in the face of millions of people struggling to eat/heat their homes just feels so wrong.

Our primary school has just opened a food bank. There are kids & families in crisis- children coming into school hungry & smelly as families can’t afford to wash clothes (I am not joking) - living in Dickensian conditions. Some of the teaching staff use the foodbank.

Yesterday was a display of obscene wealth. The royals didn’t even pay for it- we did. How can we find money for that absolute nonsense yet we can’t find money for large swathes of the population to feed themselves.

While Charles was sitting there in his gold costume holding these priceless items, plenty of families weren’t eating. It made me really angry.

I am tired of all the arguments for a royal family- how somehow these displays are quaint. Yesterday was an obscene display of wealth, inherited privilege and everything that’s wrong with this country. Seems a conversation about the royals is long overdue.

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thesnailandthewhale · 07/05/2023 19:06

TheaBrandt · 07/05/2023 07:06

Out of interest how did your teens respond? Because both of my own and every single one of my friends teens were utterly disinterested and actually extremely negative. If their attitudes is mirrored across their generation the royal are utterly doomed.

I was like that as a teen but as I got older I appreciated the consistency of them. I remember my Mum trying to get me to watch Charles and Di's wedding but I was much more interested in practising handstands. I wouldn't call myself a royalist but I thoroughly enjoyed yesterday.

HumanBurrito · 07/05/2023 19:21

Ok I'm only on page 2 but I can't believe soneone is claiming coronations are a once in seventy years event. So Chas will be with us until he's 144 years old 🤣

TheaBrandt · 07/05/2023 19:25

I know that was a particularly bonkers comment! . We will all be doing this again within 20 years max - prob sooner.

thecatsarecrazy · 07/05/2023 19:28

It was amazing, enjoyed watching a piece of history. If people can't afford to wash clothes that's probably because they spend money on other crap. No excuse. My husband works full time I've picked up an evening job, we can't afford holidays or expensive days out but keep a roof over our heads and my kids don't stink.

peonyprincess · 07/05/2023 19:29

Yes, the Coronation cost a lot to put on, but it has generated several times that amount for our economy in tourist/ hospitality spending, so any talk of cost etc is completely misguided….

Roussette · 07/05/2023 19:38

peonyprincess · 07/05/2023 19:29

Yes, the Coronation cost a lot to put on, but it has generated several times that amount for our economy in tourist/ hospitality spending, so any talk of cost etc is completely misguided….

We don't know that. It is not transparent. That is what the RF and Govt would like you to think.

Security was estimated at ÂŁ150M for instance, let alone the rest. We don't know

polkadotdalmation · 07/05/2023 19:41

We don't all live destitute lives, living off food banks. Most people, work, earn, pay for childcare, go on holiday and feed their families.
I don't live in a particularly affluent area, but I simply don't recognise your portrayal as poverty everywhere.

Of course there are areas of deprivation, but I enjoyed the coronation along with millions of other people. Why do some people feel we all need to be dragged down to the lowest common denominator?

TheColourofspring · 07/05/2023 19:56

Why do some people feel we all need to be dragged down to the lowest common denominator?

@polkadotdalmation oh yea, bloody poor people, ruining stuff for everyone else…

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Neededanewuserhandle · 07/05/2023 19:58

KimberleyClark · 07/05/2023 12:26

If the King is claiming to be Defender of Faiths, shouldn’t the service have included readings from the Qur’an, Talmud, Hindu and Sikh scriptures by representatives of those faiths?

A Hindu doing a Bible reading was a bit bizarre.

That defender of the faith thing was only a deal done by Henry 8th, it's something daft to put on coins and reflects the Catholic/Protestant divide at the time. It's a load of old bollocks so Charles shouldn't have tried to resurrect and hijack it.

Neededanewuserhandle · 07/05/2023 19:59

peonyprincess · 07/05/2023 19:29

Yes, the Coronation cost a lot to put on, but it has generated several times that amount for our economy in tourist/ hospitality spending, so any talk of cost etc is completely misguided….

I'd like to see your detailed working out on this.

Blossomtoes · 07/05/2023 20:16

Neededanewuserhandle · 07/05/2023 19:59

I'd like to see your detailed working out on this.

Well you won’t see it now because the figures for the amount generated for UK plc won’t be finalised for a few months. Not that it will make any difference because republicans will cast doubt on the data if it fails to support their prejudice.

Roussette · 07/05/2023 20:21

Blossomtoes · 07/05/2023 20:16

Well you won’t see it now because the figures for the amount generated for UK plc won’t be finalised for a few months. Not that it will make any difference because republicans will cast doubt on the data if it fails to support their prejudice.

I won't.

I just doubt we will see true figures to include security. I would like to see it all broken down, but we've never seen this before so doubt it will happen!

polkadotdalmation · 07/05/2023 20:22

TheColourofspring · 07/05/2023 19:56

Why do some people feel we all need to be dragged down to the lowest common denominator?

@polkadotdalmation oh yea, bloody poor people, ruining stuff for everyone else…

Not everyone is poor. Stop projecting. If everyone were poor, who would pay the bloody taxes. If everyone were as poor as you say why are foreign holidays booming again. New cars everywhere, most people have a car, home ....whatever.

Near where I live thousands of nice middleclass houses are being built, mile after mile of them. Somebody must be buying them.

Of course prices are rising, cost of living is rising, but its been low for a very long time.

Aslanplustwo · 07/05/2023 20:24

Ladybowes · 07/05/2023 09:16

Absolutely agree - but having a Royal family that is hereditary certainly does not help and just because other countries have high inequalities and heads of state does not necessary mean that would happen here. We are a different country with a different history - so comparisons to other countries like that aren't really that useful.

We actually don't know what would happen if we removed our Royals? But it is definitely something that I believe needs discussion.

Seriously - looking at the shitshow that the UK government appears to be, you are actually suggesting that if the RF were to pack up and go there will suddenly be no more inequality in the UK, just because you are "different" (and presumably "special", unlike all the other inadequate countries!!). You do realise that your nation's inequalities are the result of the aforementioned government, rather than the RF?? I presume not. You don't seem capable of electing a decent PM, why do you think it would be so different with a Head of State?

Blossomtoes · 07/05/2023 20:26

Roussette · 07/05/2023 20:21

I won't.

I just doubt we will see true figures to include security. I would like to see it all broken down, but we've never seen this before so doubt it will happen!

I rest my case.

Blossomtoes · 07/05/2023 20:27

Aslanplustwo · 07/05/2023 20:24

Seriously - looking at the shitshow that the UK government appears to be, you are actually suggesting that if the RF were to pack up and go there will suddenly be no more inequality in the UK, just because you are "different" (and presumably "special", unlike all the other inadequate countries!!). You do realise that your nation's inequalities are the result of the aforementioned government, rather than the RF?? I presume not. You don't seem capable of electing a decent PM, why do you think it would be so different with a Head of State?

Spot on. 👏🏻

Neededanewuserhandle · 07/05/2023 20:32

Blossomtoes · 07/05/2023 20:26

I rest my case.

What case?

Roussette · 07/05/2023 20:34

Blossomtoes · 07/05/2023 20:26

I rest my case.

I'm not sure what case, Blossom. I said if I saw figures broken down, I would accept them.

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 07/05/2023 20:35

It would've been better optics if they funded it themselves (fat chance).

The RF has generations of untaxed inherited wealth and lucrative land ownership acquired by dubious means.

Not to mention the suitcases of gifted money <cough>

Roussette · 07/05/2023 20:40

@GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat

Yes, I've said this many times on here. What a wonderful precedent to be set by Charles... each new Monarch paying for their own Coronation. He would have had my admiration for him for that. Especially as it is not a requirement, he was King already, it was a choice to have such a lavish Coro.

But no. They don't give a penny away.

AbreathofFrenchair · 07/05/2023 20:42

TheyIndeed · 07/05/2023 06:19

I'm with you OP. It was unpleasant and made me long for us to have a republic for the first time.

I don't think there'll be a national "conversation" though, there's a lot of ingrained love for it all for some reason 🤷‍♀️

There won't be a conversation because for some reasons, its super fashionable to hate the royal family and to blame them for all the wrongs in the UK from lack of food and heating to the disaster that is the NHS.

What people like the OP and yourself want is an echo chamber where you can project your thoughts as they are facts. Anyone that offers an explanation is shot down and told how they are supporting something outdated (insert your own reason here) etc.

You aren't prepared to listen or accept opinions so stop insisting conversations need to happen.

And for lots of people not interested, there's an awful lots of posts discussing it and desperate people commenting how much they hate it etc.

It's boring, stop trying to be edgy and ignore it like every normal person who deosnt care about. It doesnt make you interesting.

And don't even get me started on people who insist they aren't interested and them go on to pretend they didn't know the Coronation was yesterday as I've seen on posts on here. The whole world knows it was yesterday, stop pretending it never made the news in Twickenham 🤣

Mirabai · 07/05/2023 20:45

Aslanplustwo · 07/05/2023 20:24

Seriously - looking at the shitshow that the UK government appears to be, you are actually suggesting that if the RF were to pack up and go there will suddenly be no more inequality in the UK, just because you are "different" (and presumably "special", unlike all the other inadequate countries!!). You do realise that your nation's inequalities are the result of the aforementioned government, rather than the RF?? I presume not. You don't seem capable of electing a decent PM, why do you think it would be so different with a Head of State?

She didn’t say there would be no more inequality if you read her post, she said “it certainly doesn’t help”.

The nation’s inequalities are rooted in the class system and hereditary privilege. The monarch is still head of staff and we have a Lord’s chamber.

Are you not aware of the strong links of the Tory government to public school - particularly Eton? Cameron, Osborne, Johnson, Kwasi Karteng, Rees-Mogg. Etonians have been fucking up the country since 2010. (Osborne was a Pauline) Without Cameron we would not have had Brexit.

I strongly suggest you don’t tell the British the source of inequality when you don’t appear to understand it yourself.

Mirabai · 07/05/2023 20:46

The monarch is still head of staff*

*state

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 07/05/2023 20:47

Of course conversations needs to happen if 50% of the population (I'm guessing based on younger generations) aren't in support of funding one self-sustaining, monumentally privileged family.

QueueEtwo · 07/05/2023 20:49

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/05/2023 16:32

It doesn't help the royalist cause that they can't muster an argument

In some ways I find that the most disappointing thing of all. You'd think there's be something, but it comes down to "But Trump" (avoidable) "They have no power" (probably untrue) and "We make a profit" (unquantifiable)

All that seems to be left is "I like having them" which is fair enough - but is it sufficient reason in 21st century Britain?

There are some really big questions that would need to be answered too like who would head up the Church of England & who would be Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces!
They swear their allegiance to King & Country.

Who would they be swearing allegiance to ? Some bloke that 52% of the population voted for or an unelected PrimeMinister?

The 3 cheers for his Majesty by the Armed Forces who had taken part in the parade yesterday was one of the highlights for me & actually the bit of the day that Charles looked most cheerful! 🤣

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