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BringItOnxxx · 07/05/2023 09:23

chopc · 07/05/2023 06:17

Yesterday was a moment in British history. The royal family are a part of British culture. I loved the traditions.

Please stop resenting other's wealth. Even if those individuals have less doesn't automatically mean you will have more . You need to make that happen yourself

It actually does, inequality makes everyone poorer, except those at the top

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TheColourofspring · 07/05/2023 09:23

@Cakeoutintherain i come from working class Welsh. I was first in my family to go to uni. I can see how ingrained poverty becomes.

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Nitgel · 07/05/2023 09:23

I wouldn't say I hated it. But we went to just see the flypast really.

The public were corralled from central London to stand in Hyde Park and watch on screens whilst being barked at by bored Show Sec staff (the other volunteers were lovely esp Scouts). Then spent hours in the rain after being corralled out of the park back to the tube.

All the main route was enclosed in high green walls. For people who made the effort it was pretty dire. Though everyone seemed in good spirits. I wasn't expecting trafalgar sq to be closed.

pussycatinfluffyslippers · 07/05/2023 09:25

I enjoyed the Coronation enormously.

The military, horses and coaches gleamed. The amount of work that they had all put in, together with the "behind the scenes" work from the blacksmiths to the tailoring on the uniforms in such a short amount of time is astonishing.

It's a great shame that the female members of the royal family weren't wearing every diamond they have tucked away in their vault - a bit like Queen Alexandra or Queen Mary may have done "back in the day".

WhiteBloatus · 07/05/2023 09:25

produ · 07/05/2023 06:22

I don't think there'll be a national "conversation" though, there's a lot of ingrained love for it all for some reason

It's ingrained for many to doth thy gap! It's also a means of distracting the plebs.

Yep! OP I’m with you although didn’t watch it all.

Nitgel · 07/05/2023 09:25

And then crap flypast

Ladybowes · 07/05/2023 09:26

Gtsr443 · 07/05/2023 09:19

Head of state or a political head of state?

Having an apolitical figure head for the country is eminently preferable to some politician feathering their own nest.

The USA is a perfect example. Trump and Biden again at the next election.
The whole thing driven by extreme wealth.
Macron is loathed but kept in place because the fascists are gaining ground in France. President Putin.... President Modi.....

I'd rather have the powerless Windsors. (Albeit a slimmed down tax paying version.)

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Maybe I could cope with a 'Royal' if it wasn't by birth... in 2023 this just seems outdated and unfair.

As I have said in other posts time for a total revamp of the system - as it seems to be failing and so many divided people.

Purplestorm83 · 07/05/2023 09:27

If we had an elected head of state, there would still be an inauguration of some sort - the inauguration of the president of the USA must cost thousands of dollars (and it’s way more frequent than a coronation).

pussycatinfluffyslippers · 07/05/2023 09:27

Nitgel · 07/05/2023 09:25

And then crap flypast

Yeah, 'cos the King can control the weather..🤦‍♀️

Mirabai · 07/05/2023 09:27

MrsFinkelstein · 07/05/2023 09:17

Becoming a Republic means holding an extra election every 4 or so years.

The US Presidential inauguration costs about 75M. Every 4 years.

We haven't had a Coronation for 70 years. The same places saying it will cost approx 250M, also say it will bring in 1B in revenue.

The cost of living crisis is due to electoral choices by the British electorate over the past 15 years. Stop blaming others - we need to take a long hard look at ourselves.

Trump is irrelevant. The US President is both head of state and head of government. The money is spent on political campaigning.

In countries where the prime minister is head of government and the president is head of state - like RoI - the campaign for president is a low key affair. (And in RoI every 7 years).

Dibblydoodahdah · 07/05/2023 09:27

@Nitgel it was a shame that the weather messed up the plans for the fly past.

Ladybowes · 07/05/2023 09:29

Purplestorm83 · 07/05/2023 09:27

If we had an elected head of state, there would still be an inauguration of some sort - the inauguration of the president of the USA must cost thousands of dollars (and it’s way more frequent than a coronation).

Not necessarily if we revamped the system we could decided on what ceremonies we wanted to have etc.

Katypp · 07/05/2023 09:29

TheColourofspring · 07/05/2023 06:02

I can see I am in the minority on here but I found yesterday to be distasteful on a gigantic scale. To watch the most privileged people travel in gold coaches & be decorated with diamonds and gold that is priceless in the face of millions of people struggling to eat/heat their homes just feels so wrong.

Our primary school has just opened a food bank. There are kids & families in crisis- children coming into school hungry & smelly as families can’t afford to wash clothes (I am not joking) - living in Dickensian conditions. Some of the teaching staff use the foodbank.

Yesterday was a display of obscene wealth. The royals didn’t even pay for it- we did. How can we find money for that absolute nonsense yet we can’t find money for large swathes of the population to feed themselves.

While Charles was sitting there in his gold costume holding these priceless items, plenty of families weren’t eating. It made me really angry.

I am tired of all the arguments for a royal family- how somehow these displays are quaint. Yesterday was an obscene display of wealth, inherited privilege and everything that’s wrong with this country. Seems a conversation about the royals is long overdue.

Sorry I don't know how to quote just part of a thread!
I have to call out the nonsense about families not affording to wash clothes and teachers using food banks as hyperbolic nonsense though. Really.
A NQT earns just under £26k a year, as a minimum. I am not interested in derailing this thread about workloads etc, but as an absolute, if someone earning a min of £26k (and that is for a NQT, just starting out) needs a food bank, that's very much a budgeting issue.
And as for families not being able to afford to wash, what complete rubbish. It's like there is a race to the bottom now, with the prize going to who can be the poorest.

Gtsr443 · 07/05/2023 09:30

It's ingrained for many to doth thy gap
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It's "doff your cap"
🙄

ArseMenagerie · 07/05/2023 09:30

Dibblydoodahdah · 07/05/2023 09:06

“And to all those kicking off for the ‘royal bashing’ - so what? It’s good to question things, its good to debate, its good to think critically.”

I’m still waiting for your critical thinking…

That’s rude. There have been some great posts on this thread from OP and others.

Mirabai · 07/05/2023 09:31

Purplestorm83 · 07/05/2023 09:27

If we had an elected head of state, there would still be an inauguration of some sort - the inauguration of the president of the USA must cost thousands of dollars (and it’s way more frequent than a coronation).

Please can we understand the fundamental difference between head of state and head of government. POTUS is both. Our PM is our head of government. So we would be electing a head of state only.

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TheColourofspring · 07/05/2023 09:32

And as for families not being able to afford to wash, what complete rubbish. It's like there is a race to the bottom now, with the prize going to who can be the poorest

@Katypp i literally volunteer at the school foodbank. You are totally out of touch.

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lionsleepstonight · 07/05/2023 09:32

I came on to say similar to pp, if a teacher is using a foodbank I'd be concerned about their ability to budget. Far, far more of the UK earn less than teachers and don't use food banks.

Katypp · 07/05/2023 09:32

@TheColourofspring and to add, I don't know where you've got the idea you are in the minority either.
MN is full of threads like yours and every thread started about the Coronation is derailed by people who would like to think they are in the minority

Gtsr443 · 07/05/2023 09:33

So we would be electing a head of state only.

Then why bother?
We've already got a powerless figurehead.

Dibblydoodahdah · 07/05/2023 09:33

@ArseMenagerie the OP is disguising rhetoric as critical thinking. She tried to hold up France as a bastion of equality which is beyond ridiculous as well as being offensive to some of us.

inamarina · 07/05/2023 09:33

GoodChat · 07/05/2023 06:46

It voids the taxpayers money argument, though.

If the money isn't used appropriately, that's nothing to do with the RF.

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That’s a good point.

QueefofSheena · 07/05/2023 09:33

I’ll be interested to see the breakdown of this estimated billion in revenue. It sounds like utter bullshit. It’s not jealousy to be sickened by obscene displays of wealth built on centuries of oppression.

Ladybowes · 07/05/2023 09:34

lionsleepstonight · 07/05/2023 09:32

I came on to say similar to pp, if a teacher is using a foodbank I'd be concerned about their ability to budget. Far, far more of the UK earn less than teachers and don't use food banks.

That's really unfair - you don't know the personal circumstances - they might be have outgoing that others don't.

Nitgel · 07/05/2023 09:34

Well of course I understand why the flypast was scaled down fgs
I was explaining what the atmosphere was like for the thousands of public who attended. Could have been so much better for us as he is our king.