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To think Camilla should not have been crowned Queen

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Viviennemary · 06/05/2023 16:38

She should have been Princess Consort as we were told she would be. Instead the usual airbrushing of history to try and make her acceptable by clever spinning. And positive press. Bit sickening since Edward VIII had to abdicate over marrying a divorced woman.

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Robinni · 06/05/2023 22:59

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 06/05/2023 22:52

So we should all do it and say affairs are wonderful and getting divorced tremendous.

And this is why you can't have an intelligent conversation about this with some people.

Nobody has said affairs are wonderful and getting divorced is tremendous. We are saying that having an affair isn't an impediment to being head of the C of E, as evidenced by the fact that a serial and open adulterer founded it. Most of us would also say it's better to get divorced if you're both absolutely miserable, as C & D were.

And while ideally C & C would not have had an affair, the fact remains that Charles and Diana were a terrible match, both unfaithful, both unhappy, and Camilla has now been married to him longer than Diana was. It's clearly the better relationship.

It's not condoning the affair to say that there's nothing to gain by attempting to rewrite the laws of marriage and monarchy in an attempt to punish them for it 40 years later. They were free to marry, they married, the rule is that a king's wife is queen. It's not personal, it's not a comment on their private lives, it's just the law.

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I understand they are King and Queen. I’m not arguing per se that they shouldn’t be. Just that I don’t like the situation and I think abdication would have been a bit more dignified and better for the monarchy.

I can’t see Camilla and not think of all the headlines that were written… it’s too closely associated with her for me.

They are very unapologetic and a bit shameless. But then they have money and power so can do what they want.

Serenster · 06/05/2023 23:04

James I&VI's wife, Anne of Denmark, always refused to confirm whether she was or wasn't catholic, but I think sat out the coronation

She was crowned as Queen of England, having already been crowned as Queen of Scotland, but refused to take the communion at the (Protestant) service. I guess we’d call that playing her cards close to her chest? 😀

Bovrilla · 06/05/2023 23:07

Some people are way, way too overinvested in this.

No matter what the past held, it needs putting to bed. QE2 was happy with them. They are happy and clearly a far, far better match and relationship.

They have managed to blend their families pretty well. It's far more representative or modern day Britain than the holier than thou expectations of the past.

Maybe it marks a turning point, where the royal family actually are just a bit more.....normal. I can't see this is a bad thing? I'm not a strident royalist but everyone I know who has met and worked with them raves about Charles as a really genuine, affable man and Camilla as down to earth, funny and relatable.

I'd far rather that for our future.

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 06/05/2023 23:08

Robinni · 06/05/2023 22:59

I understand they are King and Queen. I’m not arguing per se that they shouldn’t be. Just that I don’t like the situation and I think abdication would have been a bit more dignified and better for the monarchy.

I can’t see Camilla and not think of all the headlines that were written… it’s too closely associated with her for me.

They are very unapologetic and a bit shameless. But then they have money and power so can do what they want.

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I think abdication would have been a bit more dignified and better for the monarchy.

That's absolutely crazy. Abdication is a very very big deal, extremely destabilising and often seen as an enormous snub to the country. Abdicating because he had a single affair with a woman who's now been married to him longer than his first wife, when the first marriage was miserable and the wife had affairs too? And has now been dead for over 20 years?

Affairs are wrong but you can't start twisting every part of life to punish people for them. Like I said, punishing people for affairs isn't actually a forward step or a moral act itself.

Robinni · 06/05/2023 23:14

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 06/05/2023 23:08

I think abdication would have been a bit more dignified and better for the monarchy.

That's absolutely crazy. Abdication is a very very big deal, extremely destabilising and often seen as an enormous snub to the country. Abdicating because he had a single affair with a woman who's now been married to him longer than his first wife, when the first marriage was miserable and the wife had affairs too? And has now been dead for over 20 years?

Affairs are wrong but you can't start twisting every part of life to punish people for them. Like I said, punishing people for affairs isn't actually a forward step or a moral act itself.

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@DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder

We can agree to disagree. I’m not in favour of punishing anyone or standing lording over morality. As I said I wish them well as a couple.

But what is clear is that when faced with putting himself first or the U.K. and commonwealth first Charles made his decision.

mixedrecycling · 06/05/2023 23:17

Robinni · 06/05/2023 22:38

I wonder what precipitated the change in Church of England law at the particular point 🤔 Very convenient.

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I think an acceptance that, out of pastoral concern for people, it needed to accept that people make mistakes and should not be punished for them life long. That staying in an unhappy marriage is not healthy, and God wants people to be healthy.

That it is better for someone whose marriage has failed not to be faced with the choice of lifelong celibacy or adultery, with no possibility of learning from their mistakes and go on to a more positive married relationship. That any sins and moral failings are between the individual and God, and will be forgiven by God if sincerely repented.

Just a few ideas why the CofE might have changed its stance. I don't think clergy respond to requests for a marriage service (whether first of second) without asking the couple a few questions about their relationship, and encouraging them to think through the meaning of a Church wedding. Although maybe more of an expectation of permitting a first marriage between people in their own parish, as they are the Established Church (which places certain requirements on them, such as having to allow any parishonner to attend for the purpose of worship).

mixedrecycling · 06/05/2023 23:19

Serenster · 06/05/2023 23:04

James I&VI's wife, Anne of Denmark, always refused to confirm whether she was or wasn't catholic, but I think sat out the coronation

She was crowned as Queen of England, having already been crowned as Queen of Scotland, but refused to take the communion at the (Protestant) service. I guess we’d call that playing her cards close to her chest? 😀

She certainly did 😂brought up Calvinist, apparently, then never appeared at a Protestant communion after a certain point... James was pretty good at playing the sides against the middle as well, implying to English Catholics that he would be sympathetic to them if he got the English crown after QE1, but also allowing the English Protestants he was a good, clean living Protestant...

Ponoka7 · 06/05/2023 23:20

I think people need to stop looking at William and Kate through rose coloured glasses. They did very little until H&M marriage etc. They can't talk off script. William's facial expressions go from boredom to inappropriate. Camilla was very natural today. She was often trying to stifle nervous laughter. It was nice to see the genuine affection and love between them. They chatted normally. Camilla's grandsons were like any other children. The only issue for me was Andrew in regal robes. I did wonder if the feather on Anne's hat was carefully placed to cover Harry's face at all times.

AskMeMore · 06/05/2023 23:21

There is zero acceptance of mistakes from Camilla and Charles. They lie and pretend they did not start their affair until the marriage between Charles and Diana had fallen apart.
Being rich and famous buys you a lot of get out clauses.

Robinni · 06/05/2023 23:23

Ha yes @Ponoka7 I saw pics of the well placed hat in the news and thought the same.

Differences aside, enjoy the weekend and bank hol.

Goodnight all.

SnackSizeRaisin · 06/05/2023 23:26

Robinni · 06/05/2023 23:14

@DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder

We can agree to disagree. I’m not in favour of punishing anyone or standing lording over morality. As I said I wish them well as a couple.

But what is clear is that when faced with putting himself first or the U.K. and commonwealth first Charles made his decision.

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not really sure what you are implying but it's obvious to me that charles thinks he is serving the uk and commonwealth by being king. Abdicating without good grounds, such as a limiting health condition, would be an extremely selfish move

JenWillsiam · 06/05/2023 23:26

Viviennemary · 06/05/2023 16:54

Charles is a widower so is free to marry in the eyes of the church. Camilla isn't.

What are you talking about? He divorced Diana.

mixedrecycling · 06/05/2023 23:28

Robinni · 06/05/2023 23:14

@DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder

We can agree to disagree. I’m not in favour of punishing anyone or standing lording over morality. As I said I wish them well as a couple.

But what is clear is that when faced with putting himself first or the U.K. and commonwealth first Charles made his decision.

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I'm not sure how Charles would have been putting 'the UK and commonwealth first' by staying married to Diana?

SnackSizeRaisin · 06/05/2023 23:40

CabernetSauvignon · 06/05/2023 22:46

It really wasn't. We were using seatbelts for our children in the back of the car in the 1980s. The law requiring adults to wear seatbelts in the back of cars came in in 1991. In France, where Diana died, seatbelts had been compulsory since 1979.

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It was only compulsory to wear one in the back if the car had one (still the case now but obviously applies to far fewer cars!). Many cars didn't in the 90s. They were only standard in new cars from 1986.

JoanThursday1972 · 06/05/2023 23:43

RustyBear · 06/05/2023 20:07

Edward VIII was not forced to abdicate because he was a Nazi sympathiser - he was, but so were half the Establishment at that time.

The point was not his actual political views, but the fact that he had shown that he was happy to voice those views so openly, even when they went against government policy, something a constitutional monarch should never do.

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I think the Nazi connection was the real reason, Wallis just happened to be the fall guy.

SnackSizeRaisin · 06/05/2023 23:50

JoanThursday1972 · 06/05/2023 23:43

I think the Nazi connection was the real reason, Wallis just happened to be the fall guy.

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It was Wallis Simpson who was thought to be a german agent - so hardly a fall guy!

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 06/05/2023 23:56

Yanbu. Charles (an adulterer) is head of the church of England. His wife is an adulterer. The whole concept of monarchy is an utter joke.

BurntOutGirl · 06/05/2023 23:57

Viviennemary · 06/05/2023 16:45

Its not only the fact she is divorced. She was Charles's mistress for many years. Never gave his marriage a chance. Lets whotewash all that.

Get over it!! The one's it actually affects i.e William and Harry...have.

NOBODY CARES anymore. Charles and Diana were both unhappy and met other people.... SO BLOODY WHAT!!

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 06/05/2023 23:59

OP do you feel the same about Queen Letizia of Spain? If not why not?

AskMeMore · 07/05/2023 00:06

Lots of people do not even know who she is

Helpisneeded100 · 07/05/2023 00:08

Stickmansmum · 06/05/2023 16:40

Actually your post is very offensive. You suggest she should be treated as less because she is a divorcee. That’s disgusting.

She should not be crowned queen as she gaslight a very young women, ie Diana, trying to convince Diana she was not having an affair with her husband. It was beyond awful what Charles and Camilla did to Diana, they completely messed with her mental health but because he is a prince we are meant to go oh that ok then. If it happened to your daughter or your friend you would outraged!!! Anyone with any ethics would not expect Camilla to be crowned queen.

Jonei · 07/05/2023 00:12

Helpisneeded100 yes. I agree.

Tilllly · 07/05/2023 00:16

I'm no fan of Camilla

But it's right she is Queen
And I think she's shown a quiet dignity for years

BMW6 · 07/05/2023 00:24

Diana committed adultery (Barry Manakee) before Charles did.

Charles and Camilla were not having an affair throughout his marriage - it was resumed when Diana started her affair.

She went on to have several affairs, some of which were with married men.

Her MH was poor all her life. She made some appalling choices all by herself. Getting into a relationship with a sleazeball like Dodi was the worst choice - but he had oodles of ££££££ and all the trimmings.

AskMeMore · 07/05/2023 00:28

That is a rewriting of history that has emerged since Diana died.