Harry forced to watch his dads affair partner in the place his mum should have been

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I feel so sorry for him. It would eat me up if I had to watch Camilla smiling and waving in the spotlight. She tormented his mother and wife. She (and his dad of course) spoiled his childhood.

Diana was quoted as saying about her honeymoon: "I was bored, it was like being stuck with an 80-year-old man.”

Even taking Camilla into account, do you honestly think their marriage would've lasted? Of course not. They were SO incompatible. Completely different interests - he liked gardening, fishing and hunting, she like going out for dinner and dancing at Annabel's. They were literally a generation apart.

Do you really think that? Have you considered that it might be a bit more complicated.

Diana wasn't a lot more complicated than that. She was the blank canvas whiter than white unknowing young bride. She endured a lot of deceit before she gave up. The pain was etched upon her face.

It was an arranged marriage, it was never based on love.. she was only 19 fgs!

You're not a "blank canvas" at 19 or 20, even if you do come from a sheltered background. She was living away from home, she worked after a fashion, she socialised. I remember being 19 and if anyone had suggested marrying Prince Harry (who is about 4 years older than me) I'd have had a very clear idea of what that entailed and I would have run a mile, literally. 19 doesn't equal clueless innocent little baby.

I think you're doing Diana a massive disservice by implying the divorce broke her. She was actually at her most radiant when she was finally free of the marriage. Remember her appearance at the Serpentine, on the same night Charles did his Dimbleby interview? That was a woman totally in control with no fucks given.

Who said 19 is a 'blank canvas'? but you cant say a 19 year old is as emotionally mature, or 'worldly wise' as someone in their 30s or even late 20s!

The post saying "blank canvas" is right above mine. Of course most 19 year olds aren't as mature as someone in their 20s or 30s, but I'd hazard a guess that most know what marrying the heir to the throne would entail, and would be aware that someone 15 years older than them is going to have different life experience and interests.

Diana was no angel and probably hell to live with. Don't judge what you don't know about. There are 2 sides to every story.

Diana's driver was drunk and speeding - and unfortunately crashed. He was found criminally responsible for the crash. None of the occupants of the car had seatbelts on.

None of the above is anything to do with Charles or Camilla.

And she was an Earl's daughter who grew up on the Sandringham estate, with the royals practically as neighbours. She very much liked the idea of marrying the Prince of Wales. Which isn't to say she fully understand what it would involve, but she must have had at least some idea.

She also knew a bit about him through her sister, who dated him first. Which is actually a good point – people like to say the Royals set up her like a lamb to the slaughter but her family were tripping over themselves to encourage the marriage too. They were as culpable.

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Poor Lady Isobel. That's a sad story.

Yes it was very sad for all concerned including the shop owner. She was a very popular person as i remember, shame she risked all for such a small amount :-(

A few times on this thread, i've read comments about Diana stating about there being 3 people in the relationship and people breaking their necks to blame Camilla but it came out not so long ago, that the 3rd person being referred to was Tiggy Legge - Bourne, not Camilla. The idea having been put into her head by Martin Bashir. That was why Diana had Tiggy sacked, which broke the boys hearts.

Sadly girls like Diana Spencer were raised to marry well and the Prince of Wales was the ultimate of "marry well" they imo were not a love marriage but I don't think for a minute she was naive, I mean he dated her sister.

@Inkpotlover I agree that the Spencers definitely liked the idea of a royal marriage, it didn’t matter which daughter as long as one of the snagged Charles.

You have to wonder why the family didn’t learn from Diana’s parents’ miserable marriage-similar age gap, incompatible personalities- Diana’s mother literally ended up running away!

Ambition can be v. cold and calculating though.

There’s probably about 4 billion sets of butterfly-effect circumstances whereby Diana wouldn’t have died. Ridiculous to pick a random one to blame. When actually they weren’t wearing seatbelts and the driver was drunk, is probably the closest case of attributing blame

3?? Yeah and the rest!

@HamBone didn't the mother run away to Argentina ?

These anti-Camilla threads are genuinely hilarious.

The last one was the best. We had people claiming ‘an older couple bullied a child’ - because when it’s convenient being 20 years of age is still being in childhood.

We also had someone blame Fergie for not warning Diana about Charles and for it ‘being a better friend’ during the early days of Charles and Diana’s marriage. Especially because Fergie was ‘much older’. I mean, Andrew & Fergie got married 5 years after Charles and Diana did, and Fergie is just over a year older than Diana was, but why let facts get in the way of blaming random women and immortalising Saint Diana the Wronged.

I believe the word you’re looking for is ‘fantasist’

I’m not sure of the details, she married someone called Peter Shand Kydd and lived abroad at times. I just remember reading that she was only 18 when she married Earl Spencer and it wasn’t a happy marriage so she left.

Diana was quoted as saying about her honeymoon: "I was bored, it was like being stuck with an 80-year-old man.

When it was the 20th man overstay of her death, before Harry met Meghan, there were loads of Diana documentaries on that I watched. I noticed a consistent theme - she hated everything and everything was terrible. The wedding was awful, she hated it, she hated the honeymoon, she hated the touring, hated pregnancy, etc. I quickly realised she’s a perpetual victim and it turns out Harry is a real chip off the old block.

I think what people need to remember is that this is not normal people we are talking about here. It’s not Sheila who works in an office marrying Steve the joiner. It’s the aristocracy- they are on a different planet to 99% of us, the rules are completely different. Charles and Diana both grew up in that circle, they knew the rules that a marriage was mutually beneficial, rather than borne from love. Innocent my foot - she wouldn’t have given him a second glance had he not been the PoW

Yes, in these circles the Prince was the ultimate prize. He was the world’s most eligible bachelor - she didn’t fall for his sparkle or wit but his status

I genuinely have never understood the obsession some people had for Diana. I of course, am aware Charles cheated, didn't treat her right, I do. However, she really was not a saint from what I remember and used her position just the same as many other royals/privileged persons do. It was very very sad that she died so young. But the outpouring that she received like Jesus himself I expect, was just unbelievable. The Queen deserved and in fact IMO earned every flower left to her after her death but the reaction to Diana, still, after all these years and after so much has come to light I find astonishing.

Charles divorced and remarried many, many years ago. Thats it really.