“sir” Jimmy Saviles best friend becoming a king..

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And his brother was friends with Epstein- barf. How come they still have followers?

Well he was friends with Peter Ball after he was convicted. As Andrew was to Epstein.

So your question should be ‘Should we celebrate a monarchy who actively choose to defend and befriend child sex attackers’

Surely nobody believes King Charles is a paedophile? Ridiculous.

If someone told me he (or any other member of the RF) had been damaged, or their boundaries warped, by proximity to one in their youth, I wouldn't dismiss that idea out of hand.

I am not saying he is. But anyone who dismisses the possibility is not taking safeguarding seriously.

I was a victim of Saville. He was very close to Charles and Margaret Thatcher. They either knew and ignored it or were really terrible judges of character.

I am sorry to hear that.
Yes he probably did know and didn't care.

This is not true.
Louis Theroux is the only person who has admitted he 'knew' in so far as the rumours etc and chose to ignore it to get the footage he wanted. I respect Louis for that. But when the original show came out, seeing LT laughing and joking and taking JS to the point of accusation and then wind back broke me. I knew he knew. I knew he was protecting him.
A wide range of the BBC staff knew and lied to protect him. They listed me, and other women as vexatious complainants for writing to them about it. This stands to this day. The West Yorkshire Police knew and threatened me. A lot of people knew. The reality is that poor girls were ripe for this abuse and considered ripe for abuse. It was accepted, excused and over looked. They knew.

I'm so sorry, @littleripper.

I'll also add that I told EVERYONE. I TOLD EVERYBODY I KNEW what JS did (or tried to do because I got way really, he just battered me and licked me - I was not actually raped). And FRIENDS told me I was 'frigid' and 'he was having a laugh'. One 'friend' told me I should have gone along with it and got free tickets to TOTP. I remained 'friends' with these people. When the TV aired that blew the lid off it, after a few days I went to message them on facebook and saw that in the previous 48 hours every single one of the cunts had unfriended me on facebook.

It was a brutal lesson in my worth, as a poor young woman. My worth was nothing. Zero. Not to JS, not to the BBC, not to the WYP, my school, my dad, my friends. I was worthless. I changed everything about my life following the 'truth' coming out and am now in a very good place. But don't believe for one second no one knew.

They all knew. They were told, so many people were told. They lied to protect him, despite in many cases having nothing to gain. They couldn't look at me when I was proven right. This is the reality.

I have not read that Louis Theroux 'knew' about JS's proclivities, only that he had heard rumours which resulted in the questions he felt he had to ask.

Besides that I am very, very sorry to read of your experience with the man, littleripper, that was gross and the fact that you told people who didn't believe you or didn't care, adds to the insult. I do hope you can come to terms with that. You are vindicated, those who ignored what happened to you are not worth bothering with. I am in my seventies and can tell you that sort of reaction and attitude was not uncommon years ago. Such things were almost beyond comprehension to many and they really didn't want to think about it. Thank goodness times have changed in that regard.

They were far from alone in misjudging Saville's character, so many did for years and years. He must have felt he could walk on water, vile man.

When I was at school and for long afterwards practically everyone raved about him. It would never have occurred to me there was anything dodgy about him and all I can say is I'm sincerely glad I never met him. I did see him fairly close up in the 1980s when I went to watch the London Marathon with my husband (our neighbour was running). Saville was competing and all were cheering him on. Sheesh.

If someone told me they had been abused in their youth I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand, I'd believe them and listen (wouldn't be a royal because I am not on familiar term with any royals), but I wouldn't suggest they were a paedophile just because they happened to know one. We could all know a paedophile and not realise it because that sort does not give anything away. They are masters of concealment.

I have an aunty who lives in Leeds and used to be heavily involved in many of the charities that JS was involved with. She's a Catholic and also knew him via church as they both attended the same one (The Cathedral) and had known his mother. She knew him quite well and would never hear a word said against him. Like many people in Leeds she went to his funeral. She's not an idiot by any stretch of the imagination, but she was totally fooled by him.

That's how abusers work. It's often easier to spot the signs from a distance than when you are up close.

Don't think Diana did know.

Well she was reported to have recoiled when he licked her hand and made inappropriate comments about patients 'watching porn all day'.

It's hard to believe she didn't have a scoobie.

Louis Theroux is the only person who has admitted he 'knew' in so far as the rumours etc and chose to ignore it to get the footage he wanted

Esther Rantzen has admitted she 'heard the rumours' but felt as a junior reporter felt she could do nothing about them.

She went on to to front 'That's Life' and found Childline in Savile's lifetime and still did sweet Fanny Adams.

Auntie and her employees were complicit.

I agree @CathyorClaire. Here's Mark Lawson on the day he had to physically get between Savile and a producer to stop him from assaulting her.

https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/apr/01/the-day-i-thwarted-jimmy-savile-mark-lawson-on-trying-to-stop-britains-worst-sex-offender

That is such a horrific article, Annunciata, and clearly illustrates the power Savile had over everybody. So many people had an idea, had heard rumours, about him but there was never any proof. Mind you I would have thought what he did to that woman, mentioned in the above article, would constitute proof of something but obviously nobody thought it would ever stand up in court. I can almost picture everyone there, standing around, as if they were in a parallel universe. It is quite chilling.

A while ago I watched the documentary, 'Jimmy Savile: A British Horror Story', on Netflix and would recommend it highly though it is not for the faint hearted. I watched it one evening and found it very difficult to sleep afterwards. However it clearly shows how devious and manipulative people like him are and the more consciousness is raised about this subject, the better.

This is another article which I found before reading the one posted above and seems a bit tame now but I'll post t anyway:

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/louis-theroux-jimmy-savile-interview-b1916984.html

A school friend of mine turned out to be a terrorist. Don't mean I'm a bloody terrorist op.

And when you found out, did you defend that schoolfriend despite their conviction?

that’s what Charles did with convicted paedophile peter ball

People are wrongly convicted and have their sentence overturned. I don't think it is beyond belief that a manipulative person could convince others of their innocence, even after conviction.

I didn't find it difficult to believe what we learned about Savile, even though I had never thought it before it all came out. I must say I found it very hard to believe Bishop Ball was guilty and for quite a while I thought it was a terrible mistake, as did many others. I and they don't now of course.

Sometimes I wonder who we can really trust. These high profile cases don't affect most of us but I was thinking more in terms of ordinary, every day life, the people with whom we rub shoulders and like. I have had a couple of shocks in that regard in the past and it is very sobering.

Didn't Charles ask JS to serve as some sort of marriage counsellor when they were having problems?

Yes - it's mentioned in a few Charles and Diana biographies, that were published long before Savile was publicly disgraced.