“sir” Jimmy Saviles best friend becoming a king..

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And his brother was friends with Epstein- barf. How come they still have followers?

I'd place Diana's truth up there with Meagain's.

Doesn't mean it is true either, by your own logic. There's not a person on this thread that knows who knew what.

Someone who doesn't make up lies to post on Mumsnet. But don't let the truth upset you, dear.

These are the pedophiles and sex offenders ( that we currently know about) that are close friends or related to Charles :

Andrew
Mountbatten ( his mentor)
Lauren's van der post ( mentor)
Peter Ball ( defended him in writing and gave him a house after he was known to be guilty )
Jimmy Saville ( could walk in and out of palaces without notice )

One is unlucky , two unfortunate
But this list ( and who knows what else is being concealed)

So did many others many of whom were acutely embarrassed by it later. It was so very difficult to believe! I saw the man give a talk once and was extremely impressed, also knew from others how highly regarded he was in the CofE and generally. The lovely AofC George Carey got in deep doodoo over defending Bishop Ball; he later said, "We were duped". He was right there.

If we know someone who later proves to have done unpleasant things, we are not going to be in the media. We ponder, we feel anxious, we learn and move on, we also know others who have been through similar. It is not such a big deal.

I am so glad not to be famous.

This is only an issue if Charles knew he was a peadophile and that’s very doubtful

We are constantly assured Savile's activities were an 'open secret'.

It beggars belief that a man with an army of lackeys whose sole job was to advise him, smooth his gaffes and buff his public image was allowed to remain unaware of the rumours.

Surely at the point when someone accepts a police caution, you can no longer claim to be duped?

Oh yes I think you can be duped even if someone has had a police caution. The police get it wrong sometimes, we all know that, and the person cautioned has always seemed above reproach.

These 'people' are often very charismatic. Ball definitely was but his crimes (& I am not minimising the horror), were small fry relative to JSaville's and internationally, Epstein's which are are beyond imagination! They were extremely charismatic, devious and manipulative characters.

I am so glad I never knew any of them but did know a girl with whom I was at school as a teenager who did know Jimmy Saville, very well. However that would come across as hearsay and I think I already talked about it on this thread.

I think most people did not know JS was a pedophile. If you watch Louis Theroux's interview with him, he (JS) said that there were always rumours about single people like himself, the were either kiddy fiddlers (he may not have said that but something like, not paedophile from what I remember), or gay. He wasn't bothered, he knew it wasn't true so why should he be worried. Louix Theroux (and loads of viewers), took that on board, believed it and continued to like Jimmy S.

It is true that there are always rumours about celebrities and a lot of them bear little or no resemblance to the truth. Most people really were unware of the man's proclivities and those who had a suspicion were not prepared to believe gossip, needed proof. Most are not going to have the time and patience to look for proof, that's best left to the professionals (one hopes).

I'm with you, they had the best security, best counter security, best intelligence and they didn't know about the rumours or suspect anything. Oh and then there is Epstein. Most are in denial though.

Best friend?

Oh, do give over

His personal advisor as well lol. They were quite close though wouldn't you say.

People who have either been accused (with police involvement) or been arrested for sex offences

My uncle
TWO of my school teachers convicted a third accused
Teacher at my sons school
Teacher at my daughters school "retired"
My friends husband
My sisters boyfriend
My ex husband
My ex inlaws stepfather

Probably a few more that I've forgotten about im not famous should I be castigated too? Literally had no idea about my husband until he was arrested then they said lack of evidence (we split obviously) then he got arrested again fir a different offence and the police did the same again bailed him pending investigation didn't investigate and said "lack of evidence" again (seriously why would you NOT interview a witness)

It could be anyone

@Theunamedcat

That sounds dreadful for you.

However if you want to extend the net to look at teachers in Charles schools etc Charles list would be much longer
I was only including relatives and mentors
You don't have your own police dept vetting everyone

Jimmy Saville was knighted. They will have known everything about him. They even had him advise on their speeches.

YABU. There were not best friends and not all people picked up on jimmy saville being a paedo. Did u never see the Louie Theroux documentary where he revisited the documentary he did with saville?

I always thought the same about Elton John. Not the most obvious of choices as a steadying influence on a young woman.

They were close friends.
We do not know if the security services warned Charles about Saville.

Another thought is that the RF are famously not the sharpest tools in the box. It's probably a lot easier to manipulate them than most. JS was manipulative and clever enough to do the stuff in plain sight with impunity.

True with Saville. But Charles defended Peter hall after he had been convicted.

Everyone says they knew about JS and had a feeling he was creepy and never liked him etc. It's just not true, I'm sure some people did but he was very popular and people thought him an amusing eccentric who did a lot for charity.

The point is with Charles it was not just Saville

Saville was one among many

It's staring you all in the face !

Andrew was in there with Epstein and yesterday there he was in all the ridiculous regalia - honourable order of the garter or whatever

Stamp of approval from the establishment

I know two is far from a pattern but Andrew was the same with Epstein after Epstein's conviction. His reasoning / excuse was that he had been 'too honourable' to simply drop him.

Don't believe it for a second. I think Andrew wanted to know what Epstein had on him and what he was likely to say at the trial(s) to come, hence the 1:1 conversations in New York. (Then Epstein died in prison awaiting trial.)

Charles's defence of Peter Ball has often been explained away as misjudged pity, kind of under the 'too honourable' umbrella of ridiculous deferential excuses for unacceptable royal behaviour. But maybe it was to stop Peter Ball from making waves. They couldn't have him selling his story to the newspapers in order to be able to afford a roof over his head - I think that could have been the calculation.

But who knows? Only Andrew, Charles and their inner circles are privy to the truth of it, and they're not talking.

Don't think Diana did know. You can dislike a person and not know they are a pedophile. If she had known absolutely no way she'd have let him anywhere near her children.
Charles was friends with him before JS was accused. Should the monarchy not be allowed friends incase they turn out to be vile people?

All the people amongst Epstein's vast acquaintance stuck up for him and refused to believe the worst; his conviction they believed was because he took a plea and honestly did not know the age of the girl involved (it was a light sentence and he was free to carry on doing business all day, returning to captivity for sleep only). They said how good he was at helping them and introducing them to influential people in their field. Of course they got a real shock eventually.

Many people actually want to think the worst of anyone who is exposed by the media as possibly being involved in a scandal, especially when they not known to them and are high profile. You can almost see them, including on here, rubbing their hands in glee! I don't get it.

Surely nobody believes King Charles is a paedophile? Ridiculous.