Tories lose over 1000 seats in local elections

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Which was their damage limitation number so when they lost 800 they could say 'we've not done as badly as we feared'.

AIBU to be cracking open the champagne while they try to figure out how the hell they can put a positive spin on this?

One of the many challenges for the Tories is surely they don't have motivated people to go door to door talking to people on the ground.

Reform will be angling for many of the Tories votes. Another protest party vote from people who simply can’t vote Labour ever again.

Is that because Keir had a beer, or But Jeremy Corbyn?

No, I know of people who don’t forgive Labour because of the Iraq War,and also other political reasons.
Even Ed Miliband couldn’t defeat Labour in 2015, that was after five years of austerity.

No, I know of people who don’t forgive Labour because of the Iraq War,and also other political reasons.

And so they'd head towards the natural home of Nigel Farage? That doesn't make any sense.

Sometimes I think I live in a different UK as all the voters I know are way past thinking about Iraq, if they ever even did.

What I do know, however, is the people opposed to Iraq would never vote Reform. They are the left wing, Corbyn supporting politically homeless who , I assume, hold their nose, or don't vote at all.

Personally I think most people who bang on about Blair being a war criminal and that being the reason why they don't vote Labour are just using it as a convenient justification for voting Tory.

Yes, and also that.

People can't forgive something that happened 20 years ago that had cross party support, but can forgive breaking the law, crashing the economy and generally trashing the country.

Why not just say that you are going to vote Tory because you believe in enriching the already richer than anyone needs to be and keeping the poor, poor. It would be more honest.

They not only lack motivation, Conservative members and activists feel utterly betrayed and sidelined by the parliamentary party.

If Tories want to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, and Labour want to make the poor richer and the rich poorer, who do you vote for if you want to make everybody richer?

Why would you want to make Jacob Rees Mogg richer?

...more loot when I burgle one of his mansions.

Ah, so you are in favour of eventual redistribution of wealth.

Just don't upset his nanny, otherwise Jacob will have a very bad day.

I might vote for them. I might vote Labour. I’m undecided . A years a long time in politics.

A year is a long time, but 20 years is a very short period of time, in which one has to hold onto a strange grudge.

Probably blaming the previous Labour government too aren’t they??

I don't believe in taking wealth from people who have worked for it and giving it to people who haven't. Opportunity should be evened out as much as possible. But people have to want to take those opportunities and work hard to achieve their full potential in life. People should not expect the state (ie, other people) to provide for them all their life, no matter how irresponsible/lazy/criminal they are.

Sounds like a solid argument for a wealth tax, rather than income tax. It is fairly absurd that unearned income is taxed at a much lower rate than earned income so that one ends up with teachers and nurses paying a higher proportion of their income in tax than millionaires.

I don't believe in taking wealth from people who have worked for it and giving it to people who haven't.

So you're happy with taxing wealth people haven't worked for, like inheritance and share dividends and the like?

What about paying for things that the entire country benefits from, like state education or the NHS?

I don't have a problem with inheritance tax but people working hard to pass on something to their children should not be demonized. It's the people that aren't working hard to pass on something to their children that are in the wrong. And those that spend frivolously leaving their children with nothing.

Any chance you could be more specific as to the kind of person who isn't working hard. For example would Boris Johnson be a good example, or are you thinking more of hospital cleaners?

It isn’t my personal grudge. Many people from the Armed force’s community don’t forgive Labour for how they were treat.

Many, I dare say would not want to vote them back in.

People still hold a grudge about Margaret Thatcher , she hasn’t been in office for 32 years.

So , I’ll vote for who I like when the time comes , thank you.

Do you think it is possible to work hard and not have anything to pass onto your children?

Do you think it is possible to not work hard and still be massively wealthy, perhaps because you inherited it? Or married someone extremely wealthy?

I'm interested in this idea that your wealth is decided by how hard you work.