Tories lose over 1000 seats in local elections

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Which was their damage limitation number so when they lost 800 they could say 'we've not done as badly as we feared'.

AIBU to be cracking open the champagne while they try to figure out how the hell they can put a positive spin on this?

Labour's odds of 1/5 are to win the most seats. The odds of winning a majority are 8/11.

Bookies have often proved to be more reliable than opinion polls in the month before a general election.

I don't even know why they even with the polls when the bookies are giving odds and they have a vested interest in being correct whereas the pollsters really don't.

When even the Daily Mail concede the Tories are out at the next GE it's time for the rest of the country to admit it.

All we can hope is to minimise the damage they do before they fuck off.

What do we think the tories will do over the next year? F things up or pull out all the stops to try to turn the tide?

Do remind us which election Sunak won to become PM?

Our newly elected Labour councillor was out and about in our area yesterday trying to sort out and assess the issues that have been troubling people. I hope he has started as he means to continue.

Inflation will drop, because of how it is calculated.

However even when inflation drops, these high prices will stay forever. Inflation dropping doesn't mean prices going down, it just means they will continues to rise but less dramatically.

The problem is, too many voters don't have the economic literacy to understand this. They understand that spending money we don't have will cause us to go into debt, which is why the same old narrative of Labour gets pulled out 13 years on, yet Conservatives seemed to be let off to an extent because those that don't understand economics blame everything on the Ukranian war, and other worldwide phenomena.

@CheesecakeAddict yeah it's mad how the Truss chaos is just treated as an unfortunate hiatus by the media. I mean they'll still blathering about the Winter of Discontent ffs.

Yet Liz Truss represents the Tory Party intelligentsia today - God help us. The loonies are still screaming for tax cuts. And Farage said Crazy Karteng had delivered the ' First Conservative budget since the 80s'.

To get a fair hearing from the media any Labour leader must pretend to be very similar to the Tories though. A lying , warmongering xenophobe and loyal mate of City spivs. Just nicer in some vague indefinable way.

Mmm, anyone would think there's a stonking great double standard.

That said, traditional print media is becoming less and less relevant. It doesn't work the same way on younger generations as it used to.

He won his own seat in the GE and then the Party leadership election. The same as every other PM.

The things that anger people, high prices, higher mortgage payments, higher tax, declining public services cannot be fixed in a year which is all that Sunak has.

Six months before the election he needs to have growing economy and taxes going down radically to stand a chance.

My literal money is that he will not manage this. Truss wanted interest rates to go up and her budget did that. People's wages are not going up by inflation so they will be feeling much poorer.

They are not economically competent.

How many candidates were there in the leadership "election" that Sunak won?

Given that But Jeremy Corbyn won his seat many more times than Sunak has and actually won a leadership election against other candidate does that make him a more suitable candidate than 2nd place Sunak?

No because he contested 2 GEs as party leader and lost both. Sunak hasn't contested 1 GE yet. I highly doubt he'll be given the chance to lose two.

It'll be interesting to see if Sunak is even allowed to contest one.

Brexit was won because people were angry at having been ignored and in some parts of country had a strong perception that people could come from other places and benefit more from living in the UK than those who already lived here. It did not matter than the facts showed than on average migrants contributed positively to society, peoples pereception on the ground is what mattered.

The Tories now have a problem. They are the party of sleaze, the party of high taxes, the party that has made very many people feel poorer. Even if the economy by some fluke does pick up in the next 12 months, and certainly the headline rate of inflation will fall, most people will be able to afford to buy less and so will feel poorer. The Tories cannot avoid that and whether they like it or not will have to own it.

Your services are needed.

Don't forget to add a shit load in expenses, it's their favourite.

I am not sure why you are replying to me with that, rather than the poster who suggested that Sunak is a suitable candidate to be Prime Minister because he has won his own parliamentary seat and a leadership election against no other candidates.

It wasn't Sunak's fault that there were no other candidates. If anything, it shows that the arguing was done behind closed doors instead of in front of the world as is often the case with leadership elections.

No, the arguing was done in public. The Tory party voted for Liz Truss over Sunak. And she was fucking terrible, crashed the economy, and made everyone poorer.

The Tory party loudly, and very publicly, lost the argument about whether Truss would be a better Prime Minister than Sunak.

That they voted for her to be Prime Minister should be to their unending shame, and hopefully electoral destruction.

At least they recognised she was not a good leader and got rid of her a month later, unlike Labour who allowed Corbyn to lose 2 general elections. The Tories are generally a lot better at being ruthless and cutting bait when it's time to do so.

Labour tried to get rid of Corbyn, he lost a no-confidence vote and his shadow cabinet resigned.

Unfortunately for Labour, Corbyn was a stubborn piece of shit who valued himself over his party, refused to resign and there was no way to actually make him leave.

It was a bit more than not being "a good leader" though wasn't it? Truss crashed through the financial systems and the BoE had to get involved. Whilst leapfrogging over the OBR. All egged on by Tory members and the right wing press.

how many times have I seen "tory vote collapses they will lose the next election" and then they dont. people dont see local elections as counting. they dont get involved in local politics unless its their neighbour affecting their street they really dont. Lots of people dont even bother to turn out to vote. and as for polls, all done online and many of the older and more likely tory voters dont take part so they are also skewed. There are way too many people taking a labour victory at the next election for granted. seen it before, and will no doubt see it again.

And they had been told by Sunak before they voted for Truss that this is what would happen.