So fed up of my flat stinking of pot/anti social behaviour

[IroningThrone]

I live in a small block of flats. There's 12 of us, and until recently it's been fine. A new couple moved in and ever since its been hell. A few highlights-

-a screaming argument at 4am that turned physical and was so bad multiple police vans turned up. They have arguments at least once a week but usually more.

• their dealer accessing the flat courtyard by the back gate, threatening to put their windows in and screaming obscenities until he was dragged away by the police
• they sit and smoke pot in the communal area/stairs and it stinks to the point i dread bringing my kids in. They've just been smoking it and now my flat also stinks (for context, the front door is about 2m from my bedroom door and i can smell it in my bed.) If i dry anything innthe hall, it stinks too (to the point I was pulled aside at work about it!)
• they jam both the back security gate and the main (key fobbed) security doors open so their druggie mates can get in. I've had stuff stolen from my post box (they're locked but it was forced open)

I've just had to put my uniform back in the wash because I had the airer in the hall and it all stinks. I'm so fucking fed up of them being selfish and generally disruptive twats. I'm sick of ringing the police because they're fighting again or one of their mates is trying to break into the place. It's so bad I'm actually scared to be in the communal areas when they're in them.

Wibu to speak to to Thirteen? (Social housing, though in a smaller "decent/nice" area). I'm unfortunately not in a position where I could move. (pic is of my hall to show the space - please don't judge the carpet, I'm waiting for my new hoover to arrive!)

@Keyan

The only person who got confused was you. You got it wrong and owe OP an apology.

And serial complainer? Because she doesn't like the fact that her neighbours drug dealer came around and screamed obscenities? Seriously?

I imagine the opposite is true and Kenyan lives in a detached vicarage in a chocolate box village with retired teachers as neighbours. Only those who have never experienced hell neighbours are sympathetic to them.

Ah, aren’t you enlightened and tolerant. Tell you what, message OP and do a house swap with her. Sounds like you’re truly missing out by not living next to these wonderful potential friends and it sounds like they’re wasted on Op.

@Keyan we know from the OP's description that this pair are addicts (regular users don't end up with their dealer screaming on their doorstep), thoughtless and violent. What makes you think they might also be quite nice?

If ONE set of twatty neighbours can reverse your entire political philiosophy, you were never very "left wing" in the first place.

WhateverTF left wing even means any more ...

Its easy to have kind right on sympathetic feelings towards those less fortunate than yourself until they are keeping you awake with their gangsta rap / having screaming fights in the road with family members / making you scared to leave the flat due to their drug dealing mates hanging round the common areas / loud screaming gatherings in their garden rendering your own garden unusable in summer / dog fights oh and the pervasive stink of their drugs. We moved - to a really nice area!

Well @Keyan we all know who the antisocial dickhead is on your street. If you don’t see anything wrong with screaming and swearing and antisocial behaviour it’s because you are the one taking part in that behaviour.

OP as PPs said keep a diary, report to HA each and every time, I hope this gets sorted soon.

What a very strange take

Oh, he doesn't think anything of the sort.
His hobby is to make contrarian & provoking statements to an OP, so that the entire thread becomes about him.
He will suck up the outrage manfully, seemingly cheerfully, & then choose his moment to act butthurt about how having a majority of PP disagree with his ridiculous statements is bullying, then pull a DARVO.

To be fair, he's even better value on his own threads, where his MO is to present himself as diva-level unreasonable, & ramp up the outrage with nitpicking irrelevancies & increasingly bizarre non-sequiturs

This is only my opinion, of course. Keyan is at liberty to disagree, but once seen, the pattern is impossible to unsee.
Have fun, Keyansier.

It's also easy to loathe the behaviour of the actual people who are offending against you, without deciding that it means that everybody "less fortunate than yourself" must be of the same ilk, & change your entire political viewpoint due to the actions of a handful of arseholes.

Don't worry about it though, it's quite common for people to become more right-wing as they age. Just a little depressing that you think that everybody less-fortunate than you are by default all druggie, antisocial terrorisers - so much so that you abandoned your self-avowed leftie credentials.

and you also find it acceptable to keep found property without making an effort to locate the loser. Nice !!!!

Oh god please don't tell me he's back!!??!!

God here. Yes, he's back. Regrettably.

<<<doomy filmscore music>>>
HE NEVER WENT AWAY

To be fair, Keyansier could show a cracking wit on occasion.
Just a shame he uses it to wind PP up with, instead of joining in in good faith. Can only speculate as to his motivations, but when I see him doing his usual schtick on a thread, I often wonder who he really is, & whether he's happy.

Again 'aww diddums' was to Keyan who got upset because I posted an eye roll emoji.

I’m not thick Smallferret but thanks for the pious lecture.

My point is it’s easy to be right on until you endure neighbours like this.

I’m going to give you some actual practical advice and ignore the idiot who thinks you’re being U.

yes do complain to the HA loudly and often. When you do, emphasise the fire safety angle. Really bang on about it: smoking in communal areas, door propped open etc (is it a fire door?). Mention the new Fire Safety Act. Mention that they have a legal responsibility under the newly amended RRO to maintain fire safety. If you can find out the name of the Responsible Person for the block, write to them. That should (quite rightly) put the wind up them. The requirements now are both new and stringent.

have a google of it to see what their responsibilities are.

good luck op it sounds a nightmare.

Nobody but you has said anything about thickness.

My point is it's easy to be right on AND understand that a handful of people of are pissing you off are not representative of an entire subset of people which you label "less fortunate than yourself", & therefore feel no need to change your entire political philosophy due the the actions of a few arseholes.

btw I have endured neighbours like this.
Many of them were no less fortunate than I was at the time - just arseholes.
So I was able to escape with my youthful principles about societal fairness intact.
Although that possibly also had a lot to do with a native ability to not throw the baby out with the bathwater, or use minority behaviour as an excuse to tarnish a majority, in order justify increasing personal intolerance

Your post says you are the opposite of your username. Brilliant advice, so helpful. I hope the OP follows it. Thank you!

OP, I have been where you are. Is there no way at all that you can move?

I loved our old 2 bed house and our neighbours were lovely, bar one.

He was a drug dealer and similar to you, he would end up starting fights with his girlfriend, the kids would be out wandering the street at all hours of the night with no shoes on (they were 18 months, 3 and 5) they would knock on my door regularly to ask me for food, I'd always give them fruit, crisps etc anything I had in, I reported them so many times and the smell of weed in my home drove me insane.

I couldn't enjoy my garden in the spring or summer as they'd be out getting drunk and smoking which lead to fights.

One night, my DH was working away and about 2am I was woke up by one of the children screaming "please don't hurt mummy".

I'd had enough, I called 999 and he ended up being tasered in the car park out the front. Turns out he had broken her jaw.

DH and I said enough is enough and found somewhere else to live. He ended up going away for 2 years after that and she was found dead in the bed from a drug overdose. I think about their poor children often and hope they are now being loved and looked after.

Keep a diary, complain until they are sick of hearing from you and if you can, move for the sake of your comfort and your mental health.

I don’t think Pp meant ‘abandoning all principles’ - left wingism is about much more than views on drug users. I think they meant their views on what would’ve been the ‘left wing’ position towards this particular issue have changed since actually experiencing it.

There’s a pervasive myth that people involved in crime/drugs and chaotic lifestyles are ‘vulnerable’, very often they really are not. If anything they terrorise everyone around them knowing nobody would dare complain to their face for fear of being beaten up or worse. And they make the lives of truly vulnerable people (the elderly and disabled mainly) horrendous.

No discourtesy to you @Coffeeandbourbons & your post makes some fair points. But I seem to have finally shaken that poster loose, so am not going to respond on her topic. She's had a go a several PP's, so I'm content to let her remarks stand & simply allow others to make their own assessment of their value.

@BitOutOfPractice It doesnt work like that unfortunately. Our HA objected to DH charging his mobility scooter in the hallway telling him to move it or the HO would destroy it but were absolutely fine with the downstairs druggie storing a can of petrol under the stairs.

I suspect more money is involved here. I know for a fact the flat directly underneath us is classed as a supported living flat so they can charge more rent. Which influences the decision to ignore the can of petrol stored by the tenant they got more rent from and yet target the disabled tenant on the lesser social rent

@JenniferBooth that’s shit. But it doesn’t mean every HA and landlord is the same. In my flats fire risk is a big big issue and everything is being done to the letter of the law.

it was just some advice that quoting the new fire safety law might give tue OP some leverage. Worth a try surely?