Page 11 | ‘Influencers’ taking newborns on holiday

Coffeeandbourbons · 2023-04-30T08:47:23+00:00

I’ve noticed a lot of influencers taking their newborn or very tiny babies (under a few months old) on long haul holidays. AIBU to think this is a bit irresponsible? Long aeroplane journeys with all the germs, taking them to a very hot country when they’re so small with such fragile skin, mosquitos… I can completely understand that sometimes people need to travel with small babies, or having a holiday when the baby is a bit older and more resilient. But it seems a bit irresponsible flying a 1 month old to Abu Dhabi seems selfish to me. Prepared to be told IABU!

Somethingsnappy · 01/05/2023 10:42

TheKeatingFive · 01/05/2023 10:06

I'm not sure you can compare one throw away comment I made with the energy and ire you've invested into this thread.

But crack on, you're clearly have some big issues to work through 🫠

Anything else you've dug up during your advanced searches you want to use as a gotcha 😂

Well, it's a fair point to make, if what op said is true. Disappointed (as usually I really admire your posts) to see you've resorted to the somewhat bullying phrase of 'you have issues to work through', because of a disagreement. And to be fair, OP's 'energy and ire' has developed as a result of the many unpleasant replies on this thread, as far as I can see anyway.

I do agree generally that people who post their whole lives on social media should probably have the mental/emotional resources to cope with a bit of public criticism.

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Coffeeandbourbons · 01/05/2023 11:24

Somethingsnappy · 01/05/2023 10:42

Well, it's a fair point to make, if what op said is true. Disappointed (as usually I really admire your posts) to see you've resorted to the somewhat bullying phrase of 'you have issues to work through', because of a disagreement. And to be fair, OP's 'energy and ire' has developed as a result of the many unpleasant replies on this thread, as far as I can see anyway.

I do agree generally that people who post their whole lives on social media should probably have the mental/emotional resources to cope with a bit of public criticism.

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Thank you Snappy. Happy to concede defeat that obviously my view here isn’t the ‘mainstream’ one, but I’ve been shocked at the nastiness of the posts I’ve received given the relatively banal subject nature (babies on planes, ffs). To read the posts you would think my AIBU was ‘don’t you think X influencer is a shit mum’ or similar. It’s a tired old tactic on here to absolutely bombard the OP with disproportionately vitriolic responses then play the ‘you are obsessed’ card when they try to respond or defend themselves. I too admired Keating’s posts before today, particularly on FWR, but AIBU seems to bring the worst out in usually classy and fair posters.

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Somethingsnappy · 01/05/2023 11:52

Coffeeandbourbons · 01/05/2023 11:24

Thank you Snappy. Happy to concede defeat that obviously my view here isn’t the ‘mainstream’ one, but I’ve been shocked at the nastiness of the posts I’ve received given the relatively banal subject nature (babies on planes, ffs). To read the posts you would think my AIBU was ‘don’t you think X influencer is a shit mum’ or similar. It’s a tired old tactic on here to absolutely bombard the OP with disproportionately vitriolic responses then play the ‘you are obsessed’ card when they try to respond or defend themselves. I too admired Keating’s posts before today, particularly on FWR, but AIBU seems to bring the worst out in usually classy and fair posters.

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Yes, I agree. And yes, you're right, on AIBU, arguments happen, and even posters who are usually very reasonable can sometimes get hot under the collar. I'm sure we've all been guilty of that on the odd occasion. But yes, some of the posts on this thread have been particularly unpleasant. And it certainly isn't as clear cut as the posts suggest, seeing as about 30% of the poll agree with you. I don't really have a strong opinion about the original question, but I thought it raised an interesting and valid discussion.

SoupDragon · 01/05/2023 14:32

Coffeeandbourbons · 01/05/2023 11:24

Thank you Snappy. Happy to concede defeat that obviously my view here isn’t the ‘mainstream’ one, but I’ve been shocked at the nastiness of the posts I’ve received given the relatively banal subject nature (babies on planes, ffs). To read the posts you would think my AIBU was ‘don’t you think X influencer is a shit mum’ or similar. It’s a tired old tactic on here to absolutely bombard the OP with disproportionately vitriolic responses then play the ‘you are obsessed’ card when they try to respond or defend themselves. I too admired Keating’s posts before today, particularly on FWR, but AIBU seems to bring the worst out in usually classy and fair posters.

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To read the posts you would think my AIBU was ‘don’t you think X influencer is a shit mum’ or similar.

that is pretty much what you did say. You said it was irresponsible and selfish.

ThisSingleMama · 01/05/2023 15:13

Op was on the Hinch/Solomon thread then seconds later THIS thread was made

Pretty obvious who it was aimed at

Molly mae was a guess some posters added in

Fifi0 · 01/05/2023 15:21

Mollie mae is 24 , I had my DD at age 20 I was backpacking in China while pregnant, went to Australia, Singapore and Thailand while DD was a baby flights are free for under 2s. I travelled all over the country from 4 weeks visiting relatives. She's fine healthy and it was a fantastic time wouldn't do the same at 30 now if I had a newborn because I'm older , have a bit less energy and a bit less wanderlust.
I still go on lots of trips abroad but my dd is older I definitely couldn't be arsed with a newborn baby.

Fifi0 · 01/05/2023 15:26

I think it's jealousy women have always travelled throughout history with babies. It's some weird new phenomenon they must be isolated and bubbled. It's jealousy that she has the bravery , energy and money to travel. I'm jealous as i wouldn't now have the energy to do it with a newborn now at 30 compared to 20.

MumUndone · 01/05/2023 15:58

Each to their own. I would have found it pretty hideous myself but if you have a straightforward birth and/or recovery, a baby who sleeps well etc., then it's probably quite nice. Babies are hardier than you think.

Julietand · 01/05/2023 15:59

I took my babies on long haul journeys.

We like travelling.

There are germs in the UK 😂

Are you jealous by any chance?

Somethingsnappy · 01/05/2023 18:35

SoupDragon · 01/05/2023 14:32

To read the posts you would think my AIBU was ‘don’t you think X influencer is a shit mum’ or similar.

that is pretty much what you did say. You said it was irresponsible and selfish.

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Except no individuals were named. And besides, making an irresponsible or selfish choice doesn't automatically make someone a shit mum anyway. The op criticised a choice that some people make. For example, I personally think I'm a good mother overall, but I expect I've made the odd selfish choice over the years.

SilverBellAdams · 01/05/2023 20:24

My eldest went to Morocco at 6 weeks and was fine, my youngest went to Chernobyl in utero and was fine too

CrazyCatLadyCat · 01/05/2023 22:04

It’s got nothing to do with you though!!

Railsailgale · 01/05/2023 22:57

SilverBellAdams · 01/05/2023 20:24

My eldest went to Morocco at 6 weeks and was fine, my youngest went to Chernobyl in utero and was fine too

Seriously?

Teder · 01/05/2023 23:00

TheKeatingFive · 01/05/2023 09:41

Have you ever commented on someone else’s parenting decisions, or is it only outrageous and bitchy when someone else is doing it and your disagree with them?

I can honestly say I've never got as worked up as you about another mother doing something perfectly reasonable that isn't against any kind of advice. I don't think that makes me unusual either. 😉

Agreed. I just don’t think enough of it to create a thread on a talk forum. It’s not as if they’re neglectful and being abusive! Personally, I couldn’t think of anything worse than a trek abroad with a newborn for a holiday but equally, I don’t think it’s bad parenting. It’s a really innocuous personal preference.

Sceptre86 · 01/05/2023 23:10

Lots of people don't want to put their life on hold when they have a child. I wouldn't have wanted to travel with mine long haul so young as I wasn't in good enough health to a month after birth. Some people are though. To each their own.

Truthseeker34 · 02/05/2023 06:14

Not sure why all the hatred I agree with you. The germs on the plane if nothing else , you need to be so incredibly careful with new borns

Luckyduc · 02/05/2023 07:17

Babies are born and live in every country so why is it irresponsible?

MaryShelley1818 · 02/05/2023 07:35

I've said YABU even though I actually agree with you 🤣🤣 I think my decision is based on a bit of health anxiety though which probably makes me unreasonable. I wouldn't have taken mine away as newborns or indeed before their immunisations at 8/12/16wks.
DS had his first holiday at 9mths, DD at 7mths. We chose Majorca and then Menorca - destinations with our children as the priority so short flights, not too hot, safe beaches etc Instagram worthy photos not being a factor.

Songbird54321 · 02/05/2023 08:45

I took my DD on a relatively short haul flight at 8 months old. I wished I’d done it when she was a newborn and not shouting to be down and jumping all over me. And she was actually very well behaved but it’s always going to be harder in a confined space. Younger the better til they get past the toddler/pre school ages for me.

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Coffeeandbourbons · 02/05/2023 08:51

It's jealousy that she has the bravery , energy and money to travel.

It’s a week in a hotel in Dubai, not the Himalayas

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Teder · 02/05/2023 09:17

Coffeeandbourbons · 02/05/2023 08:51

It's jealousy that she has the bravery , energy and money to travel.

It’s a week in a hotel in Dubai, not the Himalayas

Exactly so the risk to their newborn is really very low. If they were trekking in the Himalayas, this might be a different thread…

Daddydog · 02/05/2023 09:49

Really Newborns and germs on planes? 🤣 They just lay directly on you not touching, eating or licking anything. They don't even make direct contact with the seats. Plane air filters change the entire cabin air upto 30 times an hour. It's when they're 6m+ and within the split second you take your eye off them they're licking tray tables or trying to teething with some rarely cleaned germ infested plane fixture. 🤮

Raizin · 02/05/2023 10:16

Mind your business...

Mariposa26 · 02/05/2023 10:52

Willmafrockfit · 30/04/2023 12:44

in reality a new born and mum should be convalescing for 2 weeks.
and no supermarkets either.

I was expected to go to the hospital for both my day 5 and day 10 midwife appointments after giving birth at the beginning of April because of short staffing. I had to take my new baby on the bus and the tube after having an episiotomy days before, and then into a hospital. There was no option for rest. If the NHS aren’t worried about this I don’t think you should be. People can do what they want.

Thoughtful2355 · 02/05/2023 11:31

Oh Jesus. Calm down the jealousy.

Unlikely a baby will die from being on holiday.

Ridiculous thread and honestly I think it's just influencer hating