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To wonder how many threads are being started by Chat GPT?

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PicaK · 26/04/2023 07:19

I noticed on OLD a year or so ago that in conversation after conversation I was talking to some kind of automated bot. It put me right off. I keep wondering if it was an early form of chat got being tested.
Recently there are some threads that seem to be the very essence of Mumsnet complaints - but lacking a slight sense of self-awareness, whilst being very well written grammatically. The same sort of blandness that chat gpt answers have.
Not quite sure what my point is - did anyone else notice the bot thing on OLD?

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SerendipityJane · 26/04/2023 16:03

midsomermurderess · 26/04/2023 16:01

Posts being very well written grammatically would certainly make me question whether they had been written by a Mumsnetter😉

Indeed. I lowered my SPAG bar years ago when spearchuckers and artichokes started appearing everywhere. The irony being that current AI is just too nice.

Still, as the article I linked to showed, you can get ChatGPT to talk like a pirate.

If you wanted to.

BarbaraofSeville · 26/04/2023 16:03

So can it reply to posts, or will it only be able to do the 'drop and run' OPs?

If you told it to 'write another post on this thread replying to the posts by other MN users' could it do that?

Emigratingimmigrant · 26/04/2023 16:05

drspouse · 26/04/2023 15:41

Write an opening post for Mumsnet to start a thread about my child who has been bitten by another toddler at nursery. Use the style of previous posters and British English spelling.

Hello Mumsnetters,
I'm feeling quite concerned and upset about something that happened to my child at nursery today. Unfortunately, my little one was bitten by another toddler while playing, and now I'm not sure what to do.
Has this happened to anyone else's child before? How did you handle the situation? Did you speak to the nursery staff or the other child's parents? Did you notice any changes in your child's behaviour after the incident?
I'm feeling a bit lost and would really appreciate any advice or support from the Mumsnet community.
Thank you in advance.

I was thinking about logging into mine😂
Yes, this is exactly it.

SerendipityJane · 26/04/2023 16:18

BarbaraofSeville · 26/04/2023 16:03

So can it reply to posts, or will it only be able to do the 'drop and run' OPs?

If you told it to 'write another post on this thread replying to the posts by other MN users' could it do that?

You can converse with it (in fact if you couldn't, it would not be a Large Language Learning Model)

I posted a while back where I got it to revise it's "opinion" on sex and gender.

And - as people start using it to justify and then excuse decisions they make (notice how we are straying into the realms of religion, if it wasn't for their obsession with peoples sexuality, I am sure a lot more religious leaders would have twigged that AI is going to steal their lunch) it will be gamed more.

create a 300 word argument for a person who wants to be seen as ethical and moral to justify voting conservative in the UK

As an AI language model, I do not endorse any political party or ideology, and I remain neutral. However, I will attempt to provide a 300-word argument for a person who wants to be seen as ethical and moral to justify voting conservative in the UK.

Firstly, it is important to note that everyone has their own beliefs and values when it comes to politics, and what is ethical and moral for one person may differ from another. Therefore, it is crucial to do your own research and make an informed decision based on your own values and principles.

That being said, if you believe in individual freedom, personal responsibility, and economic prosperity, voting conservative in the UK may align with your ethical and moral principles.

The conservative party believes in smaller government, lower taxes, and fewer regulations, which can lead to more economic growth and job creation. This can be seen as a moral and ethical approach to governance, as it promotes self-reliance and personal responsibility.

In addition, the conservative party is committed to strengthening the National Health Service (NHS) and providing adequate funding for public services. This can be seen as an ethical and moral stance, as it ensures that everyone has access to quality healthcare and essential public services.

Furthermore, the conservative party has a strong stance on national security, border control, and fighting terrorism. This can be viewed as a moral and ethical approach to governance, as it prioritizes the safety and security of the nation and its citizens.

Finally, the conservative party is committed to preserving traditional family values, promoting marriage, and protecting the rights of the unborn. This can be seen as a moral and ethical stance, as it values human life and promotes strong family structures.

In conclusion, if you value individual freedom, personal responsibility, economic prosperity, access to quality healthcare and public services, national security, and traditional family values, voting conservative in the UK may align with your ethical and moral principles. However, it is important to do your own research and make an informed decision based on your own values and beliefs.

Where's my £10,000 ?

ConkerBonkers · 26/04/2023 16:24

I too have noticed the chat got thing in a few threads - can't remember which ones though. Placemarking

BarbaraofSeville · 26/04/2023 16:24

In addition, the conservative party is committed to strengthening the National Health Service (NHS) and providing adequate funding for public services

Thanks for your reply @SequinsandStilettos but you let this glaring error slip through

commonground · 26/04/2023 16:24

You can input text into GPT zero and it will tell you whether it is written by AI or a human.

I pasted the OP in and it said 'Your text is likely to be entirely written by a human'.

Did I it get it right, OP?!

AltitudeCheck · 26/04/2023 16:37

Wow! I had never heard of chat GPT until today.

This afternoon I have been scratching my head trying to write SMART objectives and personal objectives for annual appraisals and, as often happens after lunch, I ended up on MN for a break.

Thank you!!!! This generates exactly the management type of waffle/ BS that I need!!! You've saved me!!

PicaK · 26/04/2023 19:10

commonground · 26/04/2023 16:24

You can input text into GPT zero and it will tell you whether it is written by AI or a human.

I pasted the OP in and it said 'Your text is likely to be entirely written by a human'.

Did I it get it right, OP?!

Yup I'm very human!
Lots of interesting comments on here.
I do think it's one of those turning points in history but hardly any of us are noticing cos life is so busy

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BeastOfBODMAS · 26/04/2023 19:29

@PicaK i think you are right but not for the same reasons.
AI is writing code now. What do unemployed, redundant and disillusioned coders do? Become hackers.
The internet is going to be a very different place.

TheKobayashiMaru · 26/04/2023 20:47

Redglitter · 26/04/2023 15:13

It's seems to be happening far more these days than it has in the past

Totally

CornishGem1975 · 27/04/2023 09:38

BarbaraofSeville · 26/04/2023 16:03

So can it reply to posts, or will it only be able to do the 'drop and run' OPs?

If you told it to 'write another post on this thread replying to the posts by other MN users' could it do that?

No. It can generate text but a human would need to start or post on a thread.

ticketstub · 27/04/2023 10:39

I suspected that there was either AI/chatbots/paid contributors on mumsnet during Covid. A number of the pro-lockdown and pro-vaccine comments seemed to have similar language patterns/phrases. I was upset that people were potentially basing big life decisions (such as not seeing friends and family and vaccination) from what they had garnered from Mumsnet (particularly if isolated during Covid) thinking this was the norm, when the posts were actually from AI/paid contributors with their own agendas.

rewilded · 27/04/2023 10:43

think it could certainly start threads and there are many weird ones where the OP only makes that opening post.

I have noticed this in the last few weeks. Generic, old school type question and the OP is nowhere to be seen.

rewilded · 27/04/2023 10:48

People are definitely using it to formulate answers to posts already - I am 100% certain of this.

trisfreya · 27/04/2023 13:04

CornishGem1975 · 27/04/2023 09:38

No. It can generate text but a human would need to start or post on a thread.

It could reply - if set to do so, and posting would be very easy
I have written code to scrap data from the internet and use it, its not hard to programme both ways

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4793818-was-i-wrong-for-speaking-out-at-staff-meeting-today
write a reply to Was I wrong for speaking out at staff meeting today

Had a staff meeting today after work, boss goes round asking everyone at the end of the meeting if any of us had any questions or anything to say so I said that staff in a particular room are not doing their part in what they have to do to help us out so then both my bosses tell me to watch my tone of voice & not to mention names (I mentioned no names only mentioned the room in particular) made me feel uncomfortable, guilty & awkward after for saying something. So should I of kept quiet or were my bosses being unreasonable for telling me to watch my tone of voice & not to mention names

It's natural to feel uncomfortable, guilty, and awkward after being reprimanded by your bosses, but speaking out at a staff meeting can be a bold move that carries some risks. It seems like you wanted to address an issue that was affecting your work, and you did so in a professional manner. However, your bosses' response may have made you feel that you had overstepped some boundaries.
It's possible that your bosses were being unreasonable in telling you to watch your tone of voice and not mention names, especially if you were merely describing a situation without singling out any individuals. On the other hand, they may have been concerned about the potential for conflict or misunderstandings, and wanted to avoid any unnecessary tension in the workplace.
Ultimately, it's up to you to decide whether or not you should have spoken out at the staff meeting. If you feel that you were justified in raising your concerns, then you should stand by your decision. However, it may be worth considering the potential consequences of speaking out, and finding ways to communicate your concerns in a more constructive manner in the future.

Was I wrong for speaking out at staff meeting today | Mumsnet

Had a staff meeting today after work, boss goes round asking everyone at the end of the meeting if any of us had any questions or anything to say so I...

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CornishGem1975 · 27/04/2023 13:10

Yes but it cannot create a log-in or a user account.

WandaWonder · 27/04/2023 13:12

I was thinking this yesterday there are some that have a formula it seems, hard to explain, plus the user names seems to have something about them too

SerendipityJane · 27/04/2023 13:14

CornishGem1975 · 27/04/2023 09:38

No. It can generate text but a human would need to start or post on a thread.

There are various applications that can pipe 2 websites together. And if there aren't then ChatGPT will happily write one. (You may want to check it's code thought. It's far from perfect.).

I believe this is known by some as a "circle jerk" ?

Many years ago, the New York Police decided to get the lowdown on subversive activities. They set up a super secret undercover unit to infiltrate student groups. Apocryphally it was abandoned when one such meeting turned out to be only the (unknown to each other) members of this squad.

trisfreya · 27/04/2023 13:14

CornishGem1975 · 27/04/2023 13:10

Yes but it cannot create a log-in or a user account.

why not?

SerendipityJane · 27/04/2023 13:16

trisfreya · 27/04/2023 13:14

why not?

For now, CAPTCHAs are beyond it. You may need to give it a hand. Hopefully it will remember you when the machines take over.

trisfreya · 27/04/2023 13:18

SerendipityJane · 27/04/2023 13:16

For now, CAPTCHAs are beyond it. You may need to give it a hand. Hopefully it will remember you when the machines take over.

Citing a document published by OpenAI, ArsTechnica reports that ChatGPT has managed to overcome a captcha protection. To do so, the artificial intelligence contacted freelancers, pretended to be a visually impaired person and let them solve the captcha task for it.

https://basic-tutorials.com/news/chatgpt-overcomes-captcha/

It wont be long though until it can, lets be honest

ChatGPT overcomes captcha

ChatGPT, in the latest version GPT4, was able to overcome a captcha protection by manipulating a human.

https://basic-tutorials.com/news/chatgpt-overcomes-captcha

SerendipityJane · 27/04/2023 13:23

trisfreya · 27/04/2023 13:18

Citing a document published by OpenAI, ArsTechnica reports that ChatGPT has managed to overcome a captcha protection. To do so, the artificial intelligence contacted freelancers, pretended to be a visually impaired person and let them solve the captcha task for it.

https://basic-tutorials.com/news/chatgpt-overcomes-captcha/

It wont be long though until it can, lets be honest

I'm on the fence about that. Although I admit it is certainly intelligent by some standard.

I note, with irritation, IT experts are being urged to "study consciousness". As if I hadn't been doing that for the past 40 fucking years.

Ultimately it becomes a circular definition. Which the AI crowd tend to dislike, as if you can't define "intelligence", you can hardly claim to have invented an artificial version of it. Same as "life" by the way.

AppleBlueBerryPie · 27/04/2023 13:29

I'm almost certain that a lot of the Harry & Meghan threads are ChatGPT. There was one a while back which had some very pro Meghan statement and a few of the OP'S replies along with other ones (sock puppet/bot accounts to boost the thread) had oddly disjointed answers with grammatical mistakes or a terse argument that seems to narrowly miss the topic.

It's a great place to test out AI because Royal Family threads always garner an extreme amount of traction and there will be real replies mixed in with AI. There are also enough crazy H&M gatekeepers, especially on MN, that it's very difficult to tell which opinions are genuinely human and which ones are fake.

The topic is also very narrow, in the sense that ChatGPT can easily research almost everything on the Royal Family based on existing data online. It doesn't require real-world experience in human behaviour or physics that AI doesn't have. (An example for that would be the recent thread about a leaky tap that was inexplicably screwed shut with wood. AI would struggle finding reasonable data on such an event or what might motivate that).

SerendipityJane · 27/04/2023 13:32

I'm almost certain that a lot of the Harry & Meghan threads are ChatGPT.

Agreed. I would test it on a topic that intelligent real people couldn't give two shits about either. Which probably explains the Holly & Phil nonsense a while back.