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School fees have risen by 19% in the space of 12 months

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Findingfactsaboutfees · 25/04/2023 22:01

AIBU to think this is outrageous ?! Fees are exorbitant anyhow and in the last 12 months we have had an increase of 19% by way of 2 increases in a 12 month period. Fees per year for the senior school are £16690 per year and do not include state of the art facilities as other local schools do. The junior school fees aren't much less either! This is a school in the north of England. If you are paying for education, where are you based and how much do you pay? I wonder whether it is comparable.

Private education will only be for the ultra-rich if fees continue to rise at the rate that they are. It is unsustainable for most working professionals who are comfortable but not ultra-wealthy! Parents locally have tried to take their children out but can't as there are no state school places to be had within a 12 mile radius. The only other option is home schooling which isn't possible when the parents are working full time. We're not yet at the point where we are thinking of taking our child out of school but hearing the plight of those who are in the process of trying to is worrying. I've always been a labour voter but if they do go ahead with the introduction of VAT, I fear it's going to get even worse.

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padsi1975 · 25/04/2023 23:48

Itsanotherhreatday · 25/04/2023 23:20

he spent the first year of high school being assaulted daily by out of control kids. The school had zero power to act against these feral scum

I believe you.

This is a sad reflection on most high schools. If parent took an active look at the crap that goes on, you’d all fight for better education and not mock those who seek to pay for it.

Yes all kids deserve the same to qualify education but that’s not happening, and it’s not happening because some kids are feral.

You can't really believe this? That 'most' high schools are like this? 94% of the country's children go to state school, your statement just makes no sense. I'm not British and neutral on the subject of private schooling but the suggestion that most/all state schools are like this is ludicrous.

CurlewKate · 25/04/2023 23:50

Has anyone talked about making sacrifices yet?

SmallFerret · 25/04/2023 23:51

AIBU to think this is outrageous ?! Fees are exorbitant anyhow and in the last 12 months we have had an increase of 19% by way of 2 increases in a 12 month period.

Awful innit OP.
Meanwhile, the price of my fave loaf of bread rose from £1.70 to £2.30.
An over 30% increase, but let the state-educated eat cake, huh?

Not that I expect a response form what is obviously a goady fucker poster.

Findingfactsaboutfees · 25/04/2023 23:52

GettingThereCharleyBear · 25/04/2023 22:58

@Findingfactsaboutfees your weird justifications for private school are nonsense. Private schools don’t have much longer days than state if u include wrap around childcare, and us “ordinary office workers” 🙄 may also work long hours and cope with mum guilt.

You were lucky enough to have the choice for private education because you and your dh clearly have well paying jobs. Own it without making the rest of us feel we just don’t care enough to bother 🙄.

I'm genuinely really sorry. I wasn't trying to make you feel like that and I'm definitely not one of those private school is everything parents. For context, I went to a state school- my sibling went private. My parents spent a lot of time and effort on supplementing my education but I never had any formal tuition. My mum worked nights and dad worked days to make sure one of them was mostly around. Academically I performed better than my sibling. My reasons for choosing a private education might be silly to you but they were personal to us. Again I'm sorry for the way my post made you feel.

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Frozzie1 · 25/04/2023 23:53

OP is entitled to chose private schooling and I have absolutely no objection to people making that choice for their kids. The private schools are often better in many ways so if people can afford it it is their right and choice. We live in a democracy. I don’t see how anyone who has chosen private health can criticise. It’s an individual choice. Perhaps it’s about choosing excellence. I would chose excellence every time whether it’s for health or
education (or clothes or skincare products or hotels etc the list goes on).
If OP wants to complain about the increase in fees - why shouldn’t she? Everyone else is complaining about inflation.

Clymene · 25/04/2023 23:53

CurlewKate · 25/04/2023 23:50

Has anyone talked about making sacrifices yet?

Not on this thread. We've now reached (along with the feral state school children) the competitive fee bragging: 'you only pay £15k a year? Good grief! I pay eleventy million and it's frustrating but what can you do?'

AngryBirdsNoMore · 25/04/2023 23:54

Findingfactsaboutfees · 25/04/2023 23:52

I'm genuinely really sorry. I wasn't trying to make you feel like that and I'm definitely not one of those private school is everything parents. For context, I went to a state school- my sibling went private. My parents spent a lot of time and effort on supplementing my education but I never had any formal tuition. My mum worked nights and dad worked days to make sure one of them was mostly around. Academically I performed better than my sibling. My reasons for choosing a private education might be silly to you but they were personal to us. Again I'm sorry for the way my post made you feel.

What a lovely thoughtful reply

SmallFerret · 25/04/2023 23:55

CurlewKate · 25/04/2023 23:50

Has anyone talked about making sacrifices yet?

Can you at least TRY to be a little sensitive Curlew?

Some families have had to cut their holidays down from 4 a year to 3. That's a 25% decrease, FYI. The 4 million UK kids living in poverty are used to their situation, & don't feel the absence of holidays in any way as keenly.

SmallFerret · 25/04/2023 23:57

Frozzie1 · 25/04/2023 23:53

OP is entitled to chose private schooling and I have absolutely no objection to people making that choice for their kids. The private schools are often better in many ways so if people can afford it it is their right and choice. We live in a democracy. I don’t see how anyone who has chosen private health can criticise. It’s an individual choice. Perhaps it’s about choosing excellence. I would chose excellence every time whether it’s for health or
education (or clothes or skincare products or hotels etc the list goes on).
If OP wants to complain about the increase in fees - why shouldn’t she? Everyone else is complaining about inflation.

Nobody is disputing OP's right to free choice. Just the tone-deaf complaining about her luxuries being harder to afford, while millions of people have struggled just to stay warm this winter.

padsi1975 · 25/04/2023 23:58

Bloodsweatntears · 25/04/2023 23:26

There is nothing shameful or reprehensible in paying to give your kids the best education you can afford, and no need for the pathetic comments.

In fact less shameful than spending your money on a nice house for your DC to live in or holidays for your family - as than only benefits you - whereas a well educated population helps society as a whole.

I hope whenever you need a doctor/surgeon/dentist/lawyer etc etc you check whether they were privately educated…otherwise you are benefiting from their private education.

So 94% of the country aren't well educated? Again, I'm neutral on the concept of private schooling but the strange and illogical idea that because private schooling might provide a better education then state (for practical reasons such as smaller class sizes) then it follows that state must provide a bad experience, just doesn't make sense. There are excellent state schools. There are rubbish state schools. There are in between. Many good reasons to send your child private but to denigrate the entire state system is ignorant.

UnsureSchool32 · 25/04/2023 23:59

Why does it turn into a state vs private all the freaking time…?!!

OP yes that’s a lot of money. Who knows what will happen, this country is a mess.

padsi1975 · 26/04/2023 00:00

Florenz · 25/04/2023 23:28

State schools need to learn from Private Schools. The most important thing being, keep the scummy kids OUT. You assault someone, you're gone. There and then. No appeals, no move to another school, nothing. Mark their cards, fast track them to jail, and look to habituatize them as soon as possible. Remove them from society and prevent them having children who go on to ruin the education of another generation,

Goodness, I hope you're a troll.

Bringonsummer19 · 26/04/2023 00:00

sorry but the forum is for everyone. Should someone not moan about their children because someone might not be able to have children…..

BitOutOfPractice · 26/04/2023 00:01

Frozzie1 · 25/04/2023 23:53

OP is entitled to chose private schooling and I have absolutely no objection to people making that choice for their kids. The private schools are often better in many ways so if people can afford it it is their right and choice. We live in a democracy. I don’t see how anyone who has chosen private health can criticise. It’s an individual choice. Perhaps it’s about choosing excellence. I would chose excellence every time whether it’s for health or
education (or clothes or skincare products or hotels etc the list goes on).
If OP wants to complain about the increase in fees - why shouldn’t she? Everyone else is complaining about inflation.

Yes she’s entitled to choose. I don’t object to that as much as her choosing to moan about it. It’s crass and tone deaf.

and this “choosing excellence” stuff is nonsense. As is the “priorities” bullshit here as well. Do you not think a nurse or a supermarket worker would like to “choose excellence” as well? It’s not a choice, it’s a privilege. One that you have worked no harder for than a factory worker or taxi driver works.

SmallFerret · 26/04/2023 00:03

Well said @BitOutOfPractice

HedgehogB · 26/04/2023 00:04

ShanghaiDiva · 25/04/2023 22:41

smaller class numbers can make a huge difference. My dd is studying maths and further maths a levels and there are three students in the class. There are two other a level maths classes but dd’s is only for maths and further maths students. They finished the entire a level maths syllabus in two terms; it’s a very small group and the pace is very fast.

In which case I would object to paying two full years for A levels, but I bet they do …

LadyLapsang · 26/04/2023 00:04

You may be upset about the fee increase but the current fee is a lot lower than the two schools I know, A. London day school, was originally a state school, now 20.5K plus lunch, school bus, laptop etc. and B. more well known public school, not in London / SE, 34 K for day pupils.

As others have highlighted, the LA must offer a place at a state school. If families can’t find a place then FAP will be used if needed. Families may sometimes wait a few weeks, but a school will be found and a place offered.

Another option is state boarding, then you only pay for the boarding, the education is free.

CatNeedsFed · 26/04/2023 00:06

The biggest influence on a child's educational attainment is parental income.

So if you can afford private school fees (whether you send them or not), they're already statistically likely to do very well in education.

ShandaLear · 26/04/2023 00:08

You may have to get a part time job to supplement your income or look for a better job, or sell jewellery. Everything has pretty much gone up by 20% or more, including the cost of your mortgage, your food, your energy, your car, your holiday. Increases in salaries aren’t even coming close to bridging that gap, and people are having to make sacrifices at every turn. It will be the same for the school. They’ll be cutting costs where they can, but they have to maintain a quality of service so that the parents paying through the nose for their kid’s education remain satisfied they’re getting their money’s worth.

ThenAgain · 26/04/2023 00:09

Noontimes · 25/04/2023 22:35

We needed to privately educate our son. NEEDED. He was in a good state school, high functioning autistic he spent the first year of high school being assaulted daily by out of control kids. The school had zero power to act against these feral scum (zero exclusion policy). They offered him a place in the neighbouring state school which was worse performing and had the same zero exclusion policy so we went private as we felt it was the only effective means we had to safeguard our child. He is now thriving.

we as high earners so have enough set by to cover the fees for the rest of his schooling even if they double. I do think VAT ought to be added as private school is on the whole a luxury. Our younger daughters will hopefully fare better at the state high school when they get there. I don’t agree with private schooling, but it’s good that options are there for those who the state system is failing - even if few can afford to take the options when needed.

This. I was eaten alive at secondary school and if I could pay to have my child not go through that then I’d do it 100 times over. People on here are reverse snobs. And probably were like those bullies in their time at school.

ThenAgain · 26/04/2023 00:12

BitOutOfPractice · 26/04/2023 00:01

Yes she’s entitled to choose. I don’t object to that as much as her choosing to moan about it. It’s crass and tone deaf.

and this “choosing excellence” stuff is nonsense. As is the “priorities” bullshit here as well. Do you not think a nurse or a supermarket worker would like to “choose excellence” as well? It’s not a choice, it’s a privilege. One that you have worked no harder for than a factory worker or taxi driver works.

She’s talking about a parenting concern on a parenting website. There’s been a lot of this recently.

ThenAgain · 26/04/2023 00:13

Bringonsummer19 · 26/04/2023 00:00

sorry but the forum is for everyone. Should someone not moan about their children because someone might not be able to have children…..

Agree. There’s a massive pile on whenever anyone tries to discuss something that indicates they might not be hugely struggling with money.

minipie · 26/04/2023 00:14

Expect this has already been said but…

All those saying “good, private schools should be priced out or banned” are a little short sighted.

Do they not realise that families who would previously have chosen private school but can’t because it’s banned, or just out of reach financially, will take the six figure sum they are saving on school fees and use it to buy a house in the catchment for the best state schools? And/or tutor their kids heavily to get into selective state schools? Thus pushing out families who currently get places but have less money or less sharp elbows.

The state system is far from egalitarian. Plenty of parents are using money to game the system already, and this will only increase if private schools become less affordable or banned - and it’s the poorest and least clued up families who will suffer. It won’t be the rich. It’s never the rich.

ThenAgain · 26/04/2023 00:14

SmallFerret · 25/04/2023 23:51

AIBU to think this is outrageous ?! Fees are exorbitant anyhow and in the last 12 months we have had an increase of 19% by way of 2 increases in a 12 month period.

Awful innit OP.
Meanwhile, the price of my fave loaf of bread rose from £1.70 to £2.30.
An over 30% increase, but let the state-educated eat cake, huh?

Not that I expect a response form what is obviously a goady fucker poster.

Someone is being goady. It’s not the OP.

TooooBusy · 26/04/2023 00:19

MiddleParking · 25/04/2023 22:32

Why don’t parents who post this kind of thing try being a bit brighter themselves? That would do a hell of a lot more for your kid’s prospects than fancy school facilities. Also, buying yourself shit you can’t afford but could get rid of if you need to is one thing. It’s unutterably selfish to mindlessly destabilise your kid’s education and social life by putting them in a school you can’t actually afford to massage your own ego.

It must be destabilising. No idea why anyone would commence if they didn't know they could fund to end.

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