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Husband sent cringy email to recruiter. If you’re a recruiter would this put you off?

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Winterleaves1 · 25/04/2023 17:20

My husband is a qualified doctor but not eligible to work in the U.K. at the moment as he has exams to complete specific to the U.K.
While he’s studying for his exams I work in clinical trials and found a job that would be perfect for him. He’s Indian and has good English but doesn’t know how to word job applications so I helped him with the application. It took two hours as it was really long and I wanted to make sure it was spot on. I submitted the application for him. I have no connection with the employer at all. I just work in a similar field.
He came back to me and said the job application has an email for an informal chat or to ask any questions. He said he would email to introduce himself and let the manager know he is interested in the position.
Now I know in some countries this may be seen as proactive and increase your chances but I know from my managers opinion it’s been seen as annoying and socially awkward. It has definitely put them off and generally made them think the applicant didn’t understand British culture and wouldn’t fit in well within the team. Bit harsh but I’m just going by what their reaction has been when someone has done this.
They’ve also said the email should only be used for questions as the managers are busy and may have many applications where they are the manager and need their inbox clear. It’s also just not a ‘done thing’ here. I explained all this to him and told him it could negatively affect his chances of getting the job.
Well today I’m reading emails on our joint email account and he’s sent this email
‘Dear miss xxxxx,
i am writing to let you know I am very interested in your position and have completed the application. I think my skills and experience matches job well. Please consider my application’.
I know that this manager is married but no title was given so ‘miss’ was inappropriate. Also his grammar and English wasn’t the best in the email.

I’m really annoyed because the application was really strong and while he may not have got an interview I’d have at least felt that we’d given it our best shot. I feel this cringy email has really ruined his chance at an interview and will be viewed negatively.
If it was just this one application I could forget about it but it seems that he refuses to take my advice and I am sure he will continue sending an email to managers for all jobs he applies for moving forwards.
I know I sound really mean. I promise I’m not, just trying to help him as o know he wants to be in work.
So AIBU to think this email has affected his chances? If you are responsible for recruiting would this put you off? I’m hoping I’m overthinking.

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Stettafire · 25/04/2023 17:22

I think most recruiters just want to fulfill their quotas and get their commission. They're more like salespeople more so then anything else. TBH I wouldn't worry

GeorgeGerald · 25/04/2023 17:26

I really wouldn't be concerned about that if his application is strong.

I'm married but I'm quite happy to be called Mrs or Ms or Miss or Dr or even Mx (although that has never happened). I just don't care. I'm not even consistent with what I use.

Anyolelion · 25/04/2023 17:26

This is fine, I was expecting much worse from the build up you gave! But yes the Miss needs to be changed. If his application and experience is a good fit, they are probably not going to be put off by this cover note alone.

AHugeTinyMistake · 25/04/2023 17:27

I don't think it would stop his application being put forward. I think a better email would be a covering letter style one if he's insistent on one. The one he sent was pretty pointless and added no new info.

But it is distinctly impolite to use Miss/Mrs where none has been specified. If you can get him to take that on board I'm sure future recruiters would appreciate it!

Winterleaves1 · 25/04/2023 17:27

Stettafire · 25/04/2023 17:22

I think most recruiters just want to fulfill their quotas and get their commission. They're more like salespeople more so then anything else. TBH I wouldn't worry

I mean recruiter as in ‘hiring manager’.
the email was sent to the recruiting manager. It’s an NHS role.
Not a recruitment consultant situation.

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Kitcaterpillar · 25/04/2023 17:27

Are you always quite so disparaging of your husband?!

Winterleaves1 · 25/04/2023 17:29

AHugeTinyMistake · 25/04/2023 17:27

I don't think it would stop his application being put forward. I think a better email would be a covering letter style one if he's insistent on one. The one he sent was pretty pointless and added no new info.

But it is distinctly impolite to use Miss/Mrs where none has been specified. If you can get him to take that on board I'm sure future recruiters would appreciate it!

He thought all women were ‘Miss’. I have told him this.
Trying to be kind as he’s trying hard.

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MichaelAndEagle · 25/04/2023 17:29

The email definitely highlights that English isn't his first language and that he probably wasn't born in the UK.
Not sure that would mean I'd look upon the application less favourably because of it though.
I mean you'd test the applicant at interview at least i would think?

WCRoulade · 25/04/2023 17:30

As a hiring manager I can say that making personal contact and showing willing is a big plus.

ilovesooty · 25/04/2023 17:30

You sound patronising and far too involved in his applications.

Winterleaves1 · 25/04/2023 17:30

Kitcaterpillar · 25/04/2023 17:27

Are you always quite so disparaging of your husband?!

I Adore him and we’re a fab, supportive team.
That doesn’t mean that I can’t ever express any disproval over anything he has ever done or be realistic if there’s one area in life he struggles with (job applications specifically).

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Winterleaves1 · 25/04/2023 17:31

Thanks for the replies. I know my mangers HATED this so I’ve based by concern on them really as this is the only place I’ve worked at.

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DeedlessIndeed · 25/04/2023 17:32

If he is dead set on sending an email, I'd help him adapt it a little so that grammar, spelling and punctuation were at least spot on.

At that point it's down to personal taste for the recruiter or recruiting manager.

Nothingbuttheglory · 25/04/2023 17:33

NHS recruitment is meant to be points-based - a manager's personal feelings regarding an informal email should not be part of it, at all.

I was NHS until recently and the managers in my department absolutely expected serious candidates to ring up for further information.

AliceOlive · 25/04/2023 17:35

Why are you using a shared email address? I think that’s weird for adults.

NouveauNom · 25/04/2023 17:36

I think it's fine to be honest. Based on some of the stuff I've seen out there, the recruiter might not even notice themselves. The point was to register interest, which he's done adequately.

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 25/04/2023 17:36

Yes as a hiring manager this email would put me off. I feel similar when applicants what have not yet been approached try to connect with me on LinkedIn. I'm a friendly person but find this too much when I have a lot going on and many applicants.

FlatterNow · 25/04/2023 17:37

I don't know if it's the case for clinical roles, but as an NHS role hiring managers may well receive applications without any identifying details on them for the first sift - so actually an introductory email along the lines of the one you've posted wouldn't make any difference at all as the manager wouldn't be able to link the email to the candidate.

StandUpForYourRights · 25/04/2023 17:37

Even if the email has been sent, the recruiting manager won't be able to match it to an application as they come through for shortlisting anonymised. Personally I would just delete an email like that.

The application will stand or it's own merit (or not as the case may be) so I wouldn't worry about it.

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 25/04/2023 17:37

*that have not (auto correct)!

literalviolence · 25/04/2023 17:37

When I get emails like this I think stop wasting my time and you don't understand equal equalities recruiting. The miss would be a red flag. That said, it is all about the application form and ignore everything else until interview.

literalviolence · 25/04/2023 17:38

I mean I will respond to specific queries but I don't factor emails like this into decision making.

murasaki · 25/04/2023 17:38

I don't necessarily think sending an email is bad (saying that, I'd note it as a recruiter and would be wary, but other industries may vary) but that email was bad, both in terms of title for the recruiter and grammar. I'd definitely look askance at that one. If he's going to do it in future, can you sense check it for him?

Winterleaves1 · 25/04/2023 17:39

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 25/04/2023 17:36

Yes as a hiring manager this email would put me off. I feel similar when applicants what have not yet been approached try to connect with me on LinkedIn. I'm a friendly person but find this too much when I have a lot going on and many applicants.

That’s the thing. It will put many managers off and I guess is ‘personal preference’.
so best not do is as you won’t rule yourself out from the ones that don’t like it

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burnoutbabe · 25/04/2023 17:39

i'd assume that email was from someone applying for a very low level job/their first job.

anyone more senior, IF they sent this email, would include something about WHY they are a good fit at least.

this is pointless. it won't win anyone over and could damage his chances.