Page 4 | To find it hard to believe that the US can find no better presidential candidates than Biden or Trump?

DisquietintheRanks · 2023-04-25T11:50:15+00:00

33 million adults and ^that's^ the choice? Really? I am well aware that a country who ended up with Truss as PM is in no position to cast the first stone and Americans must vote as they see fit, but am I the only knew who finds the thought of another Biden/Trump face off profoundly depressing?

knitnerd90 · 25/04/2023 14:37

"Red state, blue state" doesn't work when you break down states, either. Only a few states are really solidly one or the other. In the South you also have the legacy of racism & voter suppression.

SpeedSnap · 25/04/2023 14:39

Thesharkradar · 25/04/2023 14:26

Anyone who wants power needs to have the wealth of the blue States coupled with the gullibility (due to lack of education, poverty religiosity etc ) of the red States

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As with our peaceful European divorce showed us that not everyone worships money and for some people culture matters more.

Lilifer · 25/04/2023 14:44

knitnerd90 · 25/04/2023 14:35

The "But Democrats and the KKK" thing is rubbish. It's like paying attention to the names of sports teams but not who played on them. The people who did that all left the Democratic Party in the 1960s and became Republicans. Google the "southern strategy". It's like saying, "But the Republicans were against slavery in 1861 so they must be against racism now".

And TBH, after Trump got Roe v Wade overturned thanks to his court picks, I'm appalled that anyone who supports women thinks Trump would be better, "woke nonsense" or not.

The Democrats are really a large coalition with a lot of views--some quite moderate, some definitely left of centre. Right now there will be a lot of jockeying about to see if anyone wants to challenge Biden. RFK is a joke and has no chance. His name isn't enough to overcome his anti vaccine nonsense (which well predates Covid). It's a bit of a tired trope that the Democrats are like the Tories.

His "anti vaccine nonsense" as you refer to it was the subject of a recent best selling book that exposes the very unholy and corrupt alliance between Big Pharma and the American healthcare system and its regulatory bodies which are largely funded by the very companies they seek to "regulate ".

The book has been praised for its assiduously well researched and well referenced sources. Many want to suppress and discredit the points he makes but no one can dismiss him as a joke.

slamfightbrightlight · 25/04/2023 14:48

And the more legal battles Trump faces the more his base support him.

knitnerd90 · 25/04/2023 14:49

RFK Jr has been shilling the same line for 15 years -- and the vaccines in the USA are the same as the ones in the UK so it's not some Big Pharma conspiracy. Again, this isn't just some recent thing and his book is straight up "Bill Gates, Big Pharma, Anthony Fauci, Covid conspiracy."

Actual scientists and much of his own family do dismiss him.

In any case, he's not going to get the votes, because not enough people who vote in democratic primaries want a Covid conspiracist candidate.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/04/2023 14:54

Dibblydoodahdah · 25/04/2023 13:48

@MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake no, I never said that. You interpreted it as that. You seemed to be overlooking that the US president is a duel role. I said that I prefer a constitutional monarchy. It means that we have had some prime ministers (i.e. heads of government) that have originated from non multi-millionaire backgrounds. Think about it, Keir Starmer is in the running next. It’s not a pre/requisite to be super rich as it is in the US. It also means that our head of state is politically neutral and spends their time serving the country. As I said, I prefer it.

I know perfectly well how the Irish system works thank you.

It would liven things up a lot if they duelled instead of having an election.

(Apols. It's laugh or cry for me.)

Isitsixoclockalready · 25/04/2023 14:57

TheApplianceofScience · 25/04/2023 12:54

It takes millions upon millions to be able to run and that is why it is such a divisive system.

I do think that it's wrong that running for president is essentially open only to those with a lot of wealth behind them.

Isitsixoclockalready · 25/04/2023 14:57

TheApplianceofScience · 25/04/2023 12:54

It takes millions upon millions to be able to run and that is why it is such a divisive system.

I do think that it's wrong that running for president is essentially open only to those with a lot of wealth behind them.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/04/2023 15:01

Barrythetimesprout · 25/04/2023 14:03

I seem to remember that our last election was a choice between parties led by Johnson or Corbyn. Not sure we can criticise the Americans...

Yes. Our next election will be a choice between parties led by Sunak and Starmer, with Scottish politics in chaos. We aren't in a good place either.

Lilifer · 25/04/2023 15:16

knitnerd90 · 25/04/2023 14:49

RFK Jr has been shilling the same line for 15 years -- and the vaccines in the USA are the same as the ones in the UK so it's not some Big Pharma conspiracy. Again, this isn't just some recent thing and his book is straight up "Bill Gates, Big Pharma, Anthony Fauci, Covid conspiracy."

Actual scientists and much of his own family do dismiss him.

In any case, he's not going to get the votes, because not enough people who vote in democratic primaries want a Covid conspiracist candidate.

I would respect your view a lot more if you knew what you were talking about. It's clear from your comments you have not read any of his recent book for yourself, which of course you're under no obligation to do, but if you've not read something then spouting second hand opinions on it just makes you look a bit stupid. For one thing a large part of the book is devoted to vaccination programmes in the developing world and also amongst very poor Black communities in the US, and the facts around those programs are shocking. And if they were not true his book would not have made it to publication as no publisher would open themselves up to a multi million dollar libel suit.
Look if you're going to have an opinion on something at least inform yourself reasonably well beforehand. Try going to the direct source to see what it is they are ACTUALLY saying as oppose to what the media are telling you they are saying.

Dibblydoodahdah · 25/04/2023 15:18

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g ha ha, yes I meant dual but duel would probably be better!!!

whoamI00 · 25/04/2023 15:21

It's going to be a dirty match

mexicanandafewdrinks · 25/04/2023 15:54

I will be shocked if trump doesn't get back in next election. he definitely does have enough backing from the Republican Party, not sure where that idea came from.
I think as an American, whilst neither option is no ones ideal, it comes down to comparing the two, taking it as face value.
we have Biden, who doesn't know his own name, sent unemployment down the pan, and has a major controveries within his family, (sons laptop) which most of us are outraged by. of course he's seen as a sweet old man who's a bit confused, but we need our president on the pulse.
the there is trump. plenty of controversies, not downplaying them. but he had the best employment the us has seen in a long time. he's a business man which is just how the world needs to be ran. focuses on the issues and the end goal, not the woke mobs. and he managed to shake the hand of Kim Jong un. I can't imagine Biden would have done the same, especially with the Putin situation.

larkstar · 25/04/2023 15:55

I don't find it that hard to believe given that...
"According to a 2013 Pew Research Center survey, 60% of Americans say humans have evolved over time, but only about half of that group (32% of U.S. adults overall) believes that humans and other living things evolved solely due to natural processes, the explanation accepted by the vast majority of scientists. About a quarter of U.S. adults (24%) say that humans and other life evolved, but that this evolution was guided by a supreme being. The same survey found that a third of Americans (33%) reject evolution entirely, saying humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time."

Public’s Views on Human Evolution

Six-in-ten Americans say that “humans and other living things have evolved over time,” while a third reject the idea of evolution, saying that “humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time.”

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 25/04/2023 15:57

he's a business man which is just how the world needs to be ran.

Six of Trump's businesses filed for bankruptcy.

mexicanandafewdrinks · 25/04/2023 15:59

DetMcNulty · 25/04/2023 14:14

DeSantis is sliding, and so far proving he's not ready for any kind of national exposure. 6 week abortion ban, don't say gay bill looking to be extended to 18 year olds ridiculous fight with Disney all show he's no idea what plays outside super red states. Even Florida state republicans are now backing Trump over their own governor. Did you see his bobble head performance in Japan?

I'd rather it was someone younger than Biden, but he's been more effective than expected, his record on what he's managed to get bipartisan support to pass is really pretty good.

Biden doesn't have much choice of final decisions, nor is he capable of such. he's literally a puppet on strings. its more the family that wanted it.

DrManhattan · 25/04/2023 17:52

mexicanandafewdrinks · 25/04/2023 15:54

I will be shocked if trump doesn't get back in next election. he definitely does have enough backing from the Republican Party, not sure where that idea came from.
I think as an American, whilst neither option is no ones ideal, it comes down to comparing the two, taking it as face value.
we have Biden, who doesn't know his own name, sent unemployment down the pan, and has a major controveries within his family, (sons laptop) which most of us are outraged by. of course he's seen as a sweet old man who's a bit confused, but we need our president on the pulse.
the there is trump. plenty of controversies, not downplaying them. but he had the best employment the us has seen in a long time. he's a business man which is just how the world needs to be ran. focuses on the issues and the end goal, not the woke mobs. and he managed to shake the hand of Kim Jong un. I can't imagine Biden would have done the same, especially with the Putin situation.

On the pulse? Needs a pulse

Tukmgru · 25/04/2023 19:12

SpeedSnap · 25/04/2023 14:39

As with our peaceful European divorce showed us that not everyone worships money and for some people culture matters more.

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@SpeedSnap weird, because the people advocating for Brexit made a shitload by shorting the pound before many of them fucked off out of the country (with the companies and the jobs. All the ordinary people are left poorer, both economically and culturally. The UK is in a doom spiral as much as the US, we’re just more polite about it

Tukmgru · 25/04/2023 19:17

mexicanandafewdrinks · 25/04/2023 15:54

I will be shocked if trump doesn't get back in next election. he definitely does have enough backing from the Republican Party, not sure where that idea came from.
I think as an American, whilst neither option is no ones ideal, it comes down to comparing the two, taking it as face value.
we have Biden, who doesn't know his own name, sent unemployment down the pan, and has a major controveries within his family, (sons laptop) which most of us are outraged by. of course he's seen as a sweet old man who's a bit confused, but we need our president on the pulse.
the there is trump. plenty of controversies, not downplaying them. but he had the best employment the us has seen in a long time. he's a business man which is just how the world needs to be ran. focuses on the issues and the end goal, not the woke mobs. and he managed to shake the hand of Kim Jong un. I can't imagine Biden would have done the same, especially with the Putin situation.

@mexicanandafewdrinks so I’m interested in this because you are American, and I’m wondering whether you saw what we saw from the outside? Catastrophic corruption, incredibly poorly poor cabinet members (don’t get me started on the family as advisers), a man with a bruised ego and a hair trigger with his finger on the nuclear button, and everyone around the world thinking a little bit less that the US is (as was called previously) the Essential Country.

Biden’s faults seem to be fairly minor in comparison (again, from the outside) and as best I can tell he put America first far more often that trump. Trump put Trump first, and would again. He’s no good for ordinary Americans, no good for the rest of the world. He’s very good for a couple of dozen hedge fund managers and his kids’ ‘careers’.

Spambod · 25/04/2023 19:17

NooNakedJacuzziness · 25/04/2023 13:44

Where's Kanye, has he given up?

😂😂😂😂brilliant

SpeedSnap · 25/04/2023 19:18

Tukmgru · 25/04/2023 19:12

@SpeedSnap weird, because the people advocating for Brexit made a shitload by shorting the pound before many of them fucked off out of the country (with the companies and the jobs. All the ordinary people are left poorer, both economically and culturally. The UK is in a doom spiral as much as the US, we’re just more polite about it

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For various reasons yes the UK is in decline and ordinary people knew there would be consequences yet still voted for it, as I say culture means more than money to some people.

The culture changes being forced on the relucant silent majority are having as big an impact as Brexit in the decline of the USA and UK.

The blue state people like the remainers can always move state/country yet they don't, they carry on pissing off the majority with the latest hair brained scheme and list of insults.

Spambod · 25/04/2023 19:20

They both need to bugger off. Trump did some good things in office but he is too divisive. Biden has dementia, his walk, they way he talks, the falls. I can’t believe those around him are even considering him running again. Madness.
oh and yes the laptop…..

mexicanandafewdrinks · 25/04/2023 20:50

Tukmgru · 25/04/2023 19:17

@mexicanandafewdrinks so I’m interested in this because you are American, and I’m wondering whether you saw what we saw from the outside? Catastrophic corruption, incredibly poorly poor cabinet members (don’t get me started on the family as advisers), a man with a bruised ego and a hair trigger with his finger on the nuclear button, and everyone around the world thinking a little bit less that the US is (as was called previously) the Essential Country.

Biden’s faults seem to be fairly minor in comparison (again, from the outside) and as best I can tell he put America first far more often that trump. Trump put Trump first, and would again. He’s no good for ordinary Americans, no good for the rest of the world. He’s very good for a couple of dozen hedge fund managers and his kids’ ‘careers’.

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I for one, and the people around me, saw millions of jobs created, lowest unemployment in our lifetimes, and the only president in our lives who didn't support war.
trump loves america, and the 'normal' households saw a growth in salary too.
you really have no idea how bad Biden is.
since he's been in there has been the greatest drop in average household income since the Wall Street crash. the whole vaccination is its own problem, but Biden completely wiped off and sent home countless troops when they didn't want the vaccine. he's barred off student loans, so were out of luck with our kids having the opportunities they had before.

I have two young dd, and I'm truly terrified about them starting school. our curriculum now enforces discussion at a vulnerable impressionable age to make our babies question their gender before they even know who they are. millions of children being groomed into confusing ideologies, and in turn being given hormone blockers, and mutilating their bodies. Biden calls it "gender affirming care". millions of our children will be infertile.
I'm scared for them now, and when they grow up, as at this rate, they'll be sharing bathrooms with fully grown men as soon as they are old enough to go out alone.

whilst its clear trumps kids have benefited career wise, I dont think any of them, Ivanka especially, are uncapable of the roles... besides the point!
you can argue the exact same with bidens family, but they are getting jobs they are not even qualified for.

our borders are in shambles, our drug related deaths and crimes going off the scales. I could go on.

there seems to be a trend in the uk of how no matter how negligent, lazy, or downright awful the left wing is, the right wing is always evil.

mexicanandafewdrinks · 25/04/2023 20:52

for what its worth - I have not always voted republican, nor have my parents. most of us vote based on the policies and what our countries need right now. I voted Obama in 2008, and bush before that.

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DisquietintheRanks · 25/04/2023 20:56

@mexicanandafewdrinks so where did all those jobs go? And why?

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