For being annoyed I was asked to stand on a bus because of dog allergies?

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I went to visit a friend in London today and I took my dog. It's worth noting she is a mini poodle, and hypoallergenic, and well behaved. You can barely even tell she's there. I got on the bus as part of my journey. It was the middle of the day so there were a few empty seats (but not loads).

I got on and sat down, and the woman a few rows behind me said 'can you move , I have a dog allergy'. I apologised and moved a few rows forwards, the furthest forwards I could go and still get a seat.

She then shouted forwards 'not far enough, you're going have to stand at the front'.

I was confused, but did it. I spent the rest of the 35 minute journey standing right at the front of the bus while the woman was 3/4 of the way along, sitting.

I did what she said for the journey, but when I got off I felt annoyed and I'm not sure if I'm justified.

And here's me worrying that I've got to take two ferrets in a carrier on a bus to school, walk up then back a long road with them to drop DD off and then go on another bus in order to get them to the vets on time for their spay operations next week
Also allergic to strange cats & dogs. I have 5 cats. Luckily been able to adjust to my own over years unless I ingest a hair or get scratched.. then big allergic reaction.

OK, so only people with cars can own dogs?

I wasn't able to access it, that's the point. The only way to manage the allergy, as you say I should be, is avoiding certain places. Which in the case of a warm space means my need to keep warm is trumped by a dog, which is a choice for people to have.

No. Just keep the dog at home. I already explained that.

Again, it is not up to others to manage your allergy.
Would you magically not be allergic to a guide dog? Thought not.

The unreasonable woman on the bus would have had the same risk to a service dog as to a poodle. And there is no way you can force a service dog and it’s owner to leave.

she absolutely had the option to get off the bus - she just decided to bully OP.

dogs aren’t on buses or cafes by themselves - they are with their owners, who have the same rights as every other passenger on the bus or in a cafe - they can leave or they can stay. But you cannot force somebody to leave a place that accepts dogs because they have a dog. It’s very selfish and think8ng you are better than them.

AGovernment...

"So person visits dog friendly cafe with child who scared of them and expects people with dogs to leave.

No child does not trump the people with dogs.
Why do some parents think they always come first.

There are Lots of cafes around that don’t allow dogs, the sensible thing would be to use them and keep away from spaces that may become scare6 for your child.

Its simple common sense"

Cafe didn't advertise it was 'dog friendly'. Not possible for you to know how many other cafes, 'non dog friendly' or otherwise the pp was in vicinity of?!

It's not about that poster being an entitled parent or her DS being a child - that DS is a human with a severe disability. There are children/people who are scared or wary of dogs and there are autistic people who have visceral distressing reactions to being in confined spaces with dogs. Simple humanity should place them above those people who choose to take their pet animals inside cafes!

And if you need to get to a vet?

Why would we keep our dogs at home when they’re allowed in these places? If you don’t like it, take it up with the pubs, cafes, bus companies, warm space providers.

The bus, for example, is hardly a luxury place for someone to go, it's just a mode of transport. Are people meant to avoid essential places because they suffer from things they didn't choose to have.

I know how selfish people are so definitely don't expect people to accommodate me as I said before. You go with the expectation that (the dog for example) will trump all, so you learn to avoid, or don't bother going out. Or I double dose and pray. It's getting harder though with the increase of dogs everywhere nowadays so harder to avoid unfortunately.

I think what @XenoBitch is trying to say is she needs her dog for her mental health. I’m not going to apologise for what I’m about to say but many people do this. After my experience last year, I joined MANY assistance dog FB groups and OMG the entitlement on these groups is outrageous. A lot of people pass their ‘owner trained’ aka untrained dogs off as ‘assistance dogs’ and I looked into it. You are not allowed to ask what disabilities these ‘assistance’ dogs mitigate as that’s against the Equality Act 2010. @XenoBitch there is no such thing as an emotional support dog, your dog must mitigate a disability but hey, I suppose you’ll say there is! There really needs to a register of these assistance dogs instead of people quoting the 2010 act where dogs are concerned. Many of these dogs are just pets but used to take peoples lock down mutts into places.

Or the owner is disabled?

in other words - dogs and their owners can sit wherever they fancy on a bus

As I've already said, I'd happy be cold to accommodate a guide dog because they are assisting someone who hasn't chosen their condition. It's kind to put yourself out for people who have conditions they didn't choose to have.

💯 I couldn’t have said this better myself!

Absolutely this. It's just 💯 entitlement.

My eldest had a severe phobia of dogs up to his mid teens
We did not expect the parting of the waves whenever we went somewhere. We managed the situation by not going into spaces that dogs could be present and found others that suited his needs.

Not a bit deal. Not difficult.

Its all about living in a society where we respect everyone and understand that we are not the centre of everyone’s universe, it is our own responsibility to manage our lives.

If someone could go into anaphylactic shock because of a dog in a warm space where dogs are allowed, or on a bus where dogs are allowed take control. …. get out. Your own responsibility.

My dog is well trained, and I have never tried to pass her off as some sort of dodgy assistance dog. I don't know where you got that from!
My dog is the reason I am alive right now, and she got me through lockdown.
AS me.. I have never claimed she is something she is not. All I have said here is that she is elderly and frail.. so has been coming with me to warmspaces. She also helps me feel safe amongst strangers, and is a great comfort.. but I have never said she is something official.

@HamptonCaught There's not too much more context to be given to be honest.

The only other thing I'd add is that she was sitting next to someone I'd assume was her friend (I'd guess both mid 40s? He was a bloke) and he actually reached forward to say hello to my dog as I was sitting down. Having said that, they may not actually know each other and maybe I just assumed they were friends as they were sitting next to each other and exchanging a few words. But could've been about her allergy upon reflection.

Other than that, it's all what I said in my OP.

It was quite embarrassing because I was playing musical chairs on a moving bus with a dog in one arm and my handbag in the other (I looked like the gif I shared)

where did I say I tried to pass my dog off as an assistance dog?

Wow! Completely out of order.

You didn’t. They’re just making shit up because they’re bitter about dogs being allowed in places.

You were very gracious to her OP. Be proud that you took the high road and avoided a confrontation. She was a twat and next time you might stand up for yourself if someone is being rude.

I was agreeing with the general message of the post rather than your name in particular. People do justify taking their dog everywhere knowadays like a second purse by saying it's an emotional crutch.

Extremely rude behaviour.
Why do some parents think their children are so special and trump everyone else.

no, that’s not the case.

just because you assume something doesn’t make it true.