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The overuse of the word "gifted"

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iwantavuvezela · 24/04/2023 12:50

I have noticed on a couple of forums I frequent (including mumsnet) the overuse of the word gifted. "I gifted myself some perfume". (erm, no, you bought some perfume for yourself to use. "I gifted my friend my pram". (you gave your pram) There are some times the word gifted can stand - but is this a new trend that has crept in.....
Okay its Monday, I'm feeling curmudgeonly after reading this term used once again on another forum
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NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 25/04/2023 07:14

Eleganz · 24/04/2023 13:40

Verbing is a nasty habit we've picked up from our American cousins. It seems that it is often used to replace verbs that are perfectly fine such as "gifted" instead of "given" or "dialoguing" instead of "discussing".

Or, it's a return to language that was in common use in the 17th century.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/12/gifting-is-not-a-verb/383676/

(Though the Oxford dictionary notes the first usage of "gift" as a verb a century earlier)

'Gift' Is Not a Verb

It may be useful to distinguish gift-giving from giving of other kinds; on the other hand, the word brings out the worst in us all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/12/gifting-is-not-a-verb/383676

Doingmybest12 · 25/04/2023 07:17

My pet hate 'can I get ....' in a cafe or similar. No the waitress will get it. Hate gifted. Also hate ,hate ,hate wearing a' red lip' or I wore it with ' a boot' , what just the one?

Doingmybest12 · 25/04/2023 07:19

Gifted is a word obviously but really not everything you are given is a gift.

halfsiesonapotnoodle · 25/04/2023 07:19

It's absolutely awful. I'm sick of reading it. Nothing wrong with saying 'I was given'. Can we reclaim the '...ed' and put it back on words such as 'chill...' I keep seeing such crap as 'my dog's pretty chill.' Angry

SeasonFinale · 25/04/2023 07:21

See also the use of the word "invite" as a noun rather than invitation.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 25/04/2023 07:24

TheSingingBean · 24/04/2023 15:44

Gifted
Curated
Reached out

NO. JUST NO.

Phrasal verbs come from old English via Germanic languages and have been around for a long time.
The difference tends to be that the verbs which come from Latinate roots are considered stylistically more formal than phrasal verbs.

"Reach" + various particles is one of the oldest etymologically and dates back centuries.

These verbs fell out of favour around the time of the Renaissance as they were felt to not be as "posh" for want of a better word in a society where French and Latin were still considered the ne plus ultra.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 25/04/2023 07:25

Didtheythough · 24/04/2023 16:18

Just noticed someone up thread mentioned 'gotten' this is a truely heinous Americanism, my 11yr old occasionally says it, makes no sense, it's longer than the correct word it replaces.

It's the original form.
The first settlers from Britain took it to America. In Britain the language changed.

ShoesoftheWorld · 25/04/2023 07:33

Loving the usual assumptions that everything that annoys people about changes in language is 'American' Hmm

My children are growing up bilingual in a non-English speaking country. Obviously I am their main model of English, but because they only hear me in RL day to day and are not surrounded by a community of reasonably homogeneously speaking speakers, the media they listen to has perhaps more of an influence on their language than it might otherwise. So they'll say 'gotten', or 'not so big of a deal' (as opposed to the variety without the 'of'). I can't imagine what a quixotic endeavour it would be for me to fight that (not that I have any interest in trying). I'd love to see a linguist try and place them Grin

I'm personally not keen on 'gifted/to gift' either, but clearly speakers have felt some need to distinguish it from 'give' and so I'm more interested in the contexts that use it.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 25/04/2023 07:34

Casilero · 25/04/2023 01:54

I agree with you.

Please can we also consign incorrect use of "myself" and "yourself" to the bin? I blame The Apprentice for this. And estate agents

Incorrect use of language is one thing. And obviously should be eradicated where possible.

Not understanding that something is perfectly correct, you just don't like it, is something different and makes you wonder what kind of English language teaching goes on, just as much really as in the case of making mistakes with "myself".

VestaTilley · 25/04/2023 07:37

Agree, it’s infuriating. What’s wrong with gave, given or donated!

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 25/04/2023 07:37

@ShoesoftheWorld oh it never takes long on these threads for every (perfectly correct and often older) word/phrase that posters who don't really know much about language don't like to be accused of being "an Americanism".

Changedmymindtoday · 25/04/2023 07:44

It’s up there alright with “speak my truth” and all variations of the word vibe.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 25/04/2023 07:44

Iloveabaconbutty · 25/04/2023 05:15

"Pre-loved". "Pre-order".
What kind of strangulation of the English language is this?!

The latter means to register your interest in something not yet on sale.

The former means "second hand but I'm adding a tenner to the price" See also "vintage"

DejaVoodoo · 25/04/2023 07:54

I don't ever use the word "gifted" but I don't mind it, and it is an actual verb.

It's NOT synonymous with "give", because it means "give as a gift" not just "give" generally, which has a much broader meaning; so examples like "gifted birth to a baby" don't show the ridiculousness of the word; rather, that the person who wrote doesn't understand what the word means.

"I gifted my daughter my mother's antique pearl earrings"
"I gave the jeweller my mother's antique earrings to mend"

Different meanings.

DejaVoodoo · 25/04/2023 07:58

Incorrect use of language is one thing. And obviously should be eradicated where possible.
Not understanding that something is perfectly correct, you just don't like it, is something different

This ^

GrumpyPanda · 25/04/2023 08:11

VestaTilley · 25/04/2023 07:37

Agree, it’s infuriating. What’s wrong with gave, given or donated!

I agree that it often sounds grating. That said, I suspect it's to make up for the lack in English of a verb denoting specifically "to give as a present." "Donate" is a different meaning - you wouldn't donate to somebody's birthday for example. As to "give", it's so broad there are a myriad other possible purposes rather than a gift something could be "given" for.

So it's understandable people are trying to find a specific expression - something that exists in other languages. Among other Germanic languages, for example, both Swedish and German have "skänka" or "schenken" in addition to the more generic "ge" or "geben". Apparently a repurposing of a verb that originally meant "to pour" or simply "to incline". In contrast Dutch, just like English, only has the more general "geven".
Slavic - at least some languages have a specific verb, e.g. podarować in Polish or podarit' in Russian, both derivatives of the general term for giving (dat'.) Finally French also lacks a specific term and instead uses faire un cadeau, donner en cadeau, whereas Italian has both dare in regalo and regalare. Naughty, sounds like they turned a noun into a verb.

Iloveabaconbutty · 25/04/2023 08:22

@NowZeusHasLainWithLeda I know what they mean. My annoyance is that "to order" is to order is to order, even if you have to wait a while until the product is available. No need for the "Pre" bit.

And "pre-loved" is just "second-hand". Why not instead use the word "classic" or (as you suggest "vintage" to describe them? And if the lovely cashmere coat coat was so adored why is the previous owner getting rid of it in the first place? Although I guess there could be reasons. But I do agree with your analysis!

But these are two of my personal verbal irritations!

ShoesoftheWorld · 25/04/2023 08:22

What GrumpyPanda said ('schenken' is still used in the sense of 'to pour' - 'einschenken' is to pour something (usually a drink) into something else (usually a cup/glass), which is kind of an act of giving/nurturing if you do it for someone else, pour them a cup of tea/glass of wine/whatever. That must be where the association started. There are other nuances too - 'schenken' means to give as a gift, but 'verschenken' means to give away for free (not quite the same thing - the first implies thought, care and a personal relationship, the second is a lot more businesslike and is what you'll see on the equivalent of Freecycle)).

Love a good bit of language nerdage <made-up word>

ShoesoftheWorld · 25/04/2023 08:24

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 25/04/2023 07:37

@ShoesoftheWorld oh it never takes long on these threads for every (perfectly correct and often older) word/phrase that posters who don't really know much about language don't like to be accused of being "an Americanism".

Yep - and no doubt the classism/snootiness about Hiberno-English/sneering at people who couldn't access great literacy won't be far behind <sigh>

DejaVoodoo · 25/04/2023 08:25

@GrumpyPanda great and very informative post.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 25/04/2023 08:35

ShoesoftheWorld · 25/04/2023 08:22

What GrumpyPanda said ('schenken' is still used in the sense of 'to pour' - 'einschenken' is to pour something (usually a drink) into something else (usually a cup/glass), which is kind of an act of giving/nurturing if you do it for someone else, pour them a cup of tea/glass of wine/whatever. That must be where the association started. There are other nuances too - 'schenken' means to give as a gift, but 'verschenken' means to give away for free (not quite the same thing - the first implies thought, care and a personal relationship, the second is a lot more businesslike and is what you'll see on the equivalent of Freecycle)).

Love a good bit of language nerdage <made-up word>

Yes- I think the Germanic-old English-current English pathway is how phrasal verbs happened. The Etymology online website is fascinating. And obviously would be helpful if you didn't want to make an arse of yourself by claiming "Americanism!" when the truth is 13th century Britain etc.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 25/04/2023 08:38

@GrumpyPanda Great post, thank you!

luckylavender · 25/04/2023 08:43

It's such an unnecessary word.

Scalottia · 25/04/2023 08:45

No OP you do not stand alone, this word can fuck right off!

Scalottia · 25/04/2023 08:47

SallyWD · 24/04/2023 14:35

I'm not keen. My daughter says it. Is it an Americanism? I expect so.

🙄 Didn't take long. If you're not keen, try educating your daughter to speak proper english.