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Will she be there tomorrow?

193 replies

Housewivesarguingagain · 23/04/2023 22:57

Holly Willoughby.

OP posts:
Fairyliz · 24/04/2023 12:28

Silverrocks · 24/04/2023 09:18

Admittedly I don't watch it but I've seen bits in the news, why are ITV so attached ro Phil? Why are they risking losing viewers, their reputation and whatever else for this pair that have had their day? Does he have something over them? Are they just ignorant to the public? Iron clad contracts?

Yes me too, I’m sure there are hundreds of decent presenters out there that could take over.
Assume he must know something about someone high up.

Mariposista · 24/04/2023 12:29

Wedoronron · 24/04/2023 11:58

I don't think the dead queen would care 😜

Sure she won't, but if you are going to pay your RESPECTS (even if it was just done for the cameras), have some RESPECT and show your face.

SquirrelsAreStinky · 24/04/2023 12:31

slashlover · 24/04/2023 11:19

I lost all respect for her when he came out. Bearing in mind Phil has a wife whose life had just been ripped to shreds publicly, Holly was simpering over Phil in the interview and asking him what his plans were for dating and if there was anyone special etc. it was a real slap in the face for Phil’s wife, incredibly disrespectful and inappropriate.

I thought that everyone has known he was gay since the 1980s and his wife was a beard. Are we now saying it was common knowledge but was also kept from her for 30+ years?

Well, he had two children with his wife so if that's the case, that's a pretty convincing beard!

There might have been underground rumours swirling around but AFAIK Schofield was Mr Clean Cut, the beloved golden child of TV.

From what I understand, Schofield told his wife and daughters some time before coming out publicly. However, even if she'd had time to process it privately, suddenly being thrust into the public eye and having her marriage scrutinised must have been deeply unpleasant. There's just no situation where it was appropriate for Holly to be giggling and basically asking Schofield who he is looking to shag. There was just no respect or consideration shown at all to Schofield's wife by Holly, she was just looking to ingratiate herself on the bandwagon. I was surprised at how badly she handled the interview at the time - but from what I've seen since, it was bang on brand for her.

WoofWoofBeachLife · 24/04/2023 12:41

I wish Holly would get her hair colour done properly. I know she's a face for a box hair dye but I certainly wouldn't buy it with the results she has.
Since the thread is here i will comment, I often have the TV on in part of the house for background, if it's PS and HW they always look strained together now. I prefer Alison Hammond and Holly together. Anyone is better than PS, he's got a horrible aura.
How does anyone know facts that there are huge problems and she wants out her contract ffs.

CherryCokeFanatic · 24/04/2023 13:07

Holly will do anything for a pay check. Her on screen persona v. Different to real life based on all the stories. I have witnessed it somewhat myself - as soon as filming finishes the smile vanishes and she storms off whilst other stars hung around to chat and meet audience members etc

Riapia · 24/04/2023 13:16

Hope she is.

Tealsofa · 24/04/2023 13:55

ThrowAwayOne · 24/04/2023 10:32

Wow a lot of posters have got up from the wrong side of the bed this morning!

It's just a thread, same as many others, it'll interest some and not others. No need for all the snide comments about people needing to get a life because they have an interest in something that others don't. Just go read threads you do have an interest in instead of the pile on.

So, in regards to the OP, I don't watch TM but have seen some of the posts about PS/HW and do find it interesting that she's only now trying to distance herself.

Anyone who is watching This Morning today, does it seem like there's an atmosphere or is it business as usual between PS and HW?

Its very annoying to have cryptic thread title,

I always vote U when there is a shit title

Tamrastarr · 24/04/2023 14:22

@CurlewKate But the PR spin seemed to be that he didn't cheat, that he loved his wife dearly, but that he had been living a lie, as he was in fact, gay. That way he made out like he was whiter than white and that he should be applauded! And Holly was there lapping it all up! Pretty sure his wife knew anyway and the only reason he "came out" was because there were stories about to break

LlynTegid · 24/04/2023 15:01

Please could someone start a thread when the show ends for good. So we can all celebrate.

Mouldy cheese is less past its sell by date.

Housewivesarguingagain · 24/04/2023 15:13

@Coolhwip Not, not illegal at all, everyone has it where I am

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Coolhwip · 24/04/2023 19:35

Housewivesarguingagain · 24/04/2023 15:13

@Coolhwip Not, not illegal at all, everyone has it where I am

Just because everyone has it doesn’t make it legal.

PinkiOcelot · 24/04/2023 19:36

Dillydollydingdong · 23/04/2023 23:12

Who cares?

Definitely this!

Housewivesarguingagain · 24/04/2023 19:36

@Coolhwip It’s legal ffs 🙈

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AndyandTeddyarewavinggoodbye · 25/04/2023 08:39

Coolhwip · 24/04/2023 19:35

Just because everyone has it doesn’t make it legal.

Can you provide a link to anything that says it is illegal? apart from in your opinion

AwaaFaeHom · 25/04/2023 08:59

It makes no sense for it to be illegal. Why do you think that it is?

Coolhwip · 25/04/2023 09:15

Housewivesarguingagain · 24/04/2023 19:36

@Coolhwip It’s legal ffs 🙈

No, it isn’t, or you would state what service you use to watch it. ITV is a U.K. only channel.

Stop stealing TV.

https://help.itv.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002766533-I-am-abroad-and-can-t-watch-programmes#:~:text=The%20ITV%20Hub%20is%20only,for%20all%20of%20our%20shows.

Will she be there tomorrow?
Coolhwip · 25/04/2023 09:20

AwaaFaeHom · 25/04/2023 08:59

It makes no sense for it to be illegal. Why do you think that it is?

It makes no sense for it to be legal to pirate a U.K. service abroad. Why do you think that it is?

AndyandTeddyarewavinggoodbye · 25/04/2023 09:37

@Coolhwip

The link you have provided is for ITVhub which is a catch up service. Nothing to do with watching ITV (or any other channel) "live".

There is no such legislation around watching live TV via satellite or a decoder so stop telling people that it is illegal/pirating when it isn't.

AwaaFaeHom · 25/04/2023 09:59

So you can't answer why you think it's illegal. I can justify my assertion though.

It makes no sense for a country to legislate against people watching TV from other countries. They have no skin in the game. They are not losing anything by people watching TV produced in other countries.

AwaaFaeHom · 25/04/2023 10:01

Oh and fyi - pirating content regards specifically to copies/recordings. Not to watching things live.

Coolhwip · 25/04/2023 12:04

AndyandTeddyarewavinggoodbye · 25/04/2023 09:37

@Coolhwip

The link you have provided is for ITVhub which is a catch up service. Nothing to do with watching ITV (or any other channel) "live".

There is no such legislation around watching live TV via satellite or a decoder so stop telling people that it is illegal/pirating when it isn't.

You don’t know how she is watching. Why have you assumed satellite?

Coolhwip · 25/04/2023 12:04

AwaaFaeHom · 25/04/2023 10:01

Oh and fyi - pirating content regards specifically to copies/recordings. Not to watching things live.

No it doesn’t. You have ZERO idea what you’re on about. Piracy can include watching things live. So much ignorance.

Coolhwip · 25/04/2023 12:06

AwaaFaeHom · 25/04/2023 09:59

So you can't answer why you think it's illegal. I can justify my assertion though.

It makes no sense for a country to legislate against people watching TV from other countries. They have no skin in the game. They are not losing anything by people watching TV produced in other countries.

Are you for real? Of course they have skin the in the game. Companies will try to monetise the content by distributing it through LEGAL means.

AndyandTeddyarewavinggoodbye · 25/04/2023 12:13

Coolhwip · 25/04/2023 12:04

You don’t know how she is watching. Why have you assumed satellite?

I haven't assumed anything.
But I know how I am watching here in France.
It is via satellite.
I have already said upthread that some people use a decoder box.
Either way it is totally legal.

Maybe you could start a petition to get the totally legal Astra satellite removed from space and tell those naughty UK (other countries are available) channels to stop using it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_19.2%C2%B0E

Astra 19.2°E - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_19.2%C2%B0E

SirTarquin · 25/04/2023 12:24

It makes no sense for it to be illegal. Why do you think that it is?

It makes no sense for a country to legislate against people watching TV from other countries. They have no skin in the game. They are not losing anything by people watching TV produced in other countries.

@AwaaFaeHom

I can tell you why it is illegal - or at least maybe. It's to do with copyright law and the way it works internationally.

Intellectual property rights (copyright, trade marks, broadcasting rights) operate on a territorial basis - ie. country by country. There are some exceptions where you have groups of countries - most notably the European Union where (eg) you can register a European trade mark.

This mean rights are sold and licenced on a country by country basis. This is because of international agreements about copyright and intellectual property law.

So if you write a book, the agent will sell publishing licencing rights separately for the UK, Europe, the USA, China etc. The same is true if you make a film, it would be licenced territory by territory. Broadcasting is also treated in this way.

The BBC will buy a licence to broadcast The Polar Express at Christmas in England & Wales for example. If you illegally access the channel using a VPN in a territory other than England & Wales, you are knowingly receiving the broadcast unlawfully - because you are outside the territory for which it is licenced.

Television programmes are copyright works that the owners have rights in. It is up to them whether and on what terms they want to sell the rights to other territories to show them - but it's their property so they can set the terms of that and how much the foreign licensee should pay them.

The same is true of broadcasting rights which are territorially paid for. The position became worse in the UK post -Brexit.

You are wrong then when you say they are not losing anything because they are - they are losing control of their property and the rights that go with licencing territory by territory.

Copyright infringement is unlawful and a criminal offence in some circumstances.

The question is whether the access is in breach of the terms and conditions of the channel you are accessing.

Here are some links that explain more about this in principle from a UK perspective but similar rules tend to be applied every where becuase of international agreements:

From 1 January 2021, it became an offence to use satellite broadcast decoders, intended for EU audiences, to access programmes in broadcasts from the UK with the intention of avoiding charges for them

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/use-of-satellite-decoder-cards-intended-for-eu-audiences

whilst using a Virtual Private Network (or VPN) to add extra security to your online data is perfectly legal – it is illegal to use a VPN to unlock content that is specifically not available within your own country.

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/keeping-safe/online-safety/streaming-online-know-the-risks

The Federation Against Copyright Theft, which acts for the Premier League, SKY, and BT Sport, came up with a solution – Section 11 of the Fraud Act 2006, which criminalizes the act of obtaining any kind of service dishonestly.

https://torrentfreak.com/watching-pirate-streams-in-the-uk-is-illegal-risk-of-prosecution-minimal-230129/

Use of satellite decoder cards intended for EU audiences

Customers must no longer access programmes via EU satellite broadcasting services to avoid a charge for a UK service.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/use-of-satellite-decoder-cards-intended-for-eu-audiences