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Sunday 23rd April and yet another fatal dog attack

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CrossBun · 23/04/2023 12:14

“Man dies after being mauled by 'out of control' dog in Derby as armed police shoot animal dead and another man is arrested”.

Does anyone else think Iit seems like the police or whoever are getting more and more reluctant to share the breed of dogs in these tragic incidents?

I understand that any dog can cause injury but with these fatalities surely they should be sharing more information?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12004149/Man-dies-mauled-control-dog-Derby.html

Man dies after being mauled by 'out of control' dog in Derby

The man died after sustaining 'serious injuries' when he was attacked by the dog at a house in Normanton, Derby, yesterday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12004149/Man-dies-mauled-control-dog-Derby.html

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Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 22:54

cantelouper you won't see a Poodle working cattle, they are gun dogs. Fantastic swimmers and able to retrieve from lakes very efficiently.

One of the reasons a cockerpoo, in my mind, is a terrible breed mix. Cocker spaniel (gun dog) + poodle (gun dog)...and people want them to be chilled out pets to entertain their kids.

youhavenoshameonyourface · 23/04/2023 22:56

Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 22:50

Well yeah. But we all know it’s not going to be a standard poodle or black Labrador that killed a person don’t we?

I work with dogs as an aggression specialist and labradors are one of the breeds I have referred to me most frequently. The top 5 breeds I see are all the dogs that people wouldn't bat an eyelid at in the street.

What are the top 5 that you see?

Emmamoo89 · 23/04/2023 22:59

PassTheDuckie · 23/04/2023 16:23

i bet it was a bully breed, or a Rottweiler, husky, Alsatian.

Definitely not a chihuahua or Jack Russell.

A husky wouldn't do that.

Kitanai · 23/04/2023 23:01

Emmamoo89 · 23/04/2023 22:59

A husky wouldn't do that.

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Huskies can be just as capable of aggression as any other dog.

Though personally all the ones I’ve met have been sweethearts.

https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2022-03-30/inquest-hears-cause-of-death-in-case-of-baby-killed-in-husky-dog-attack

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 23/04/2023 23:04

I looked at the dogs at my local dog rescue online today SO many XL Bully's in need of homes, I reckon many people have given theirs up after all the publicity

rustypoon · 23/04/2023 23:06

Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 17:40

It won't be a bully breed or Shepherd because it would have been mentioned in the article immediately if it was. They keep it hazy when it is a breed people generally do not stereotype.

A medium sized black dog could be a spaniel, a lab, a collie cross, a sharpei, a cockerpoo, a lurcher, a mixed breed...it really is very vague.

a Cockerpoo wouldn't be capable of mauling a grown man to death

MolkosTeenageAngst · 23/04/2023 23:10

It’s normal for there to be limited specific information about these sort of things in the hours and days after they happen, details are often not reported on straight away as they haven’t been verified. I would expect information such as the breed of dog, the relationship (if any) of the deceased to the dog and owner, the names of those involved etc to be released eventually but it usually takes several days or even weeks, this attack only happened yesterday.

PercyMcPigface · 23/04/2023 23:10

DanceMonster · 23/04/2023 18:16

I live in this general area and the word from the locals is that the story isn’t all that it seems and the man was actually stabbed. The dog was apparently destroyed as it was distressed and lashing out. I’m not sure of the truth of that thought, just repeating what is being said locally.
I agree overall about dangerous dog breeds, however.

Christ, don't let facts get in the way of anything!

Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 23:10

What are the top 5 that you see?

Labradors, cockerpoos, spaniels (springers and cockers), german shepherds, dachshunds. In no particular order. I see a lot of overseas dogs as well. And yes before somebody points it out, shepherds can do a lot more damage than a dachshund. Collies are also up there.

There are also some breeds that are instinctively less trusting of new people or animals and people need to be aware of that. Spanish mastiffs, anatolian shepherds, the sort of dogs that guard livestock.

I see the occasional mastiff but the amount of the above far outweighs these. Some might argue that the people that own the dogs I see care enough to hire help and work on things, but when I do work with my mastiff owning families, they are just as committed - and take steps like muzzling more seriously than some.

There will always be people out there that don't want to work on their dog's aggression, too, or go it alone (and make matters worse).

Unfortunately XL bullies do attract not the best owners sometimes.

RandomSunday · 23/04/2023 23:13

Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 22:50

Well yeah. But we all know it’s not going to be a standard poodle or black Labrador that killed a person don’t we?

I work with dogs as an aggression specialist and labradors are one of the breeds I have referred to me most frequently. The top 5 breeds I see are all the dogs that people wouldn't bat an eyelid at in the street.

I work with dogs too. Never have we been handed a Labrador that has mauled a person to death.

Have you?

What are the top 3 breeds, in your experience, that have killed a human?

Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 23:20

I haven't said about mauling people to death. I have said aggression. A dog that is aggressive does not have to cause a fatality to be deemed to be behaving aggressively. What I am trying to highlight is that many dog breeds can behave aggressively, including one's that a lot of people wouldn't bat an eyelid at. There needs to be a large scale review of a LOT of things that relate to the purchase of dogs, breeding of dogs, regulation for professionals, licensing and mandatory training for owners. It is easier to buy a dog than it is to buy a new mobile phone. What is that about?

That does not excuse people getting huge, strong dogs that they cannot manage, putting the dogs in questionable situations, poor breeding practices and unethical breeders (there's one nearby who have been pulled up for their regular selling of cane corso pups to pellle in their 80s), neglecting welfare needs, and all the other things that can cause things to go badly.

LuvSmallDogs · 23/04/2023 23:20

Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 22:54

cantelouper you won't see a Poodle working cattle, they are gun dogs. Fantastic swimmers and able to retrieve from lakes very efficiently.

One of the reasons a cockerpoo, in my mind, is a terrible breed mix. Cocker spaniel (gun dog) + poodle (gun dog)...and people want them to be chilled out pets to entertain their kids.

Well I've never had a spaniel, but my childhood poodle certainly liked to chill out - as long as he had plenty of exercise too!

He certainly wasn't an impatient or nippy dog. Our cat died, leaving behind very young kittens we bottle fed. He used to let the kittens knead and suckle his chest while he sunbathed and when one found his willy by mistake (kitten teeth!!!) he jumped and yelped, but didn't go for it.

God damn it, I'm talking myself into getting a poodle now!

NurseCranesRolodex · 23/04/2023 23:20

whynotwhatknot · 23/04/2023 17:08

it seems to be getting worse-im sorry but it should be harder to own a dog these days its like buying bloody teabags how easy it is

Yes it does, the disgusting 'fertility clinics' specialising in bully pregnancies were featured in a documentary recently. I couldn't believe the type of practices going on, cutting the ears back, collecting sperms. The people at the top of this enterprise are amoral scum. Needs controlled. The dogs fatally attacking babies and kids are not passive, well cared for dogs.

Domino20 · 23/04/2023 23:20

Kitanai · 23/04/2023 22:50

Jack Russells are ratters, they should never be within reach of a newborn baby. But that’s the same for most dogs.

I have yet to hear of a grown man ripped to pieces by a Jack Russell though.

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I'm fairly certain that you haven't personally heard of a grown man ripped to pieces by a husky either.

RoseAndRose · 23/04/2023 23:21

MolkosTeenageAngst · 23/04/2023 23:10

It’s normal for there to be limited specific information about these sort of things in the hours and days after they happen, details are often not reported on straight away as they haven’t been verified. I would expect information such as the breed of dog, the relationship (if any) of the deceased to the dog and owner, the names of those involved etc to be released eventually but it usually takes several days or even weeks, this attack only happened yesterday.

The man who died is Wayne Stevens (51) and Gary Stevens (age 53) has been charged with being the person in charge of a dog dangerously out of control causing injury resulting in death and will appear before magistrates tomorrow

(source: BBC)

Pixiedust1234 · 23/04/2023 23:22

PercyMcPigface · 23/04/2023 23:10

Christ, don't let facts get in the way of anything!

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The part about the dog being very distressed so was put down was mentioned in earlier reports. They gave the vague impression that it had to be put down so the emergency workers could treat the injured man. The news sources have since amended/updated their articles.

FearTheWankingDead · 23/04/2023 23:22

Kitanai · 23/04/2023 22:48

The idiots dog of choice used to be the staffy because they thought they looked ‘hard’. Staffordshire bullterriers we’re purposely bred to not be aggressive to humans though, any who showed the slightest hint of aggression (to a handler, animal v animal aggression was encouraged) were killed and not allowed to breed.

So despite the huge amount of staffs owned by thick twats the previous decades, and despite of the complete lack of training and mistreatment of the dogs, the amount of times the dogs actually snapped was relatively low.

Now the dog of choice for the twats is the ‘xl bully’. Which are actually, at least according to the dna tests I’ve seen done on a number of them, largely American pitbull with usually a smaller mix of Rottweiler, American bulldog and Cano corso.

Those dogs are fiercely intelligent, need a phenomenal amount of training and hard work to be happy. Their breeding also largely focused on them being used as guard dog, so human aggression was not bred out of them. Stick one of those in a terraced council house with no training/abuse and it’s just a matter of time until a body bag is needed.

The travellers that are breeding them aren’t exactly breeding for good temperament. The goal is to make them bigger, and meaner. The cast offs are sold as puppies and adults in places like gumtree, usually as xl bullies or ‘staffy crosses’ to hapless (or feckless) families.

These pitbulls are the very definition of ‘fuck around and find out’. And they are absolutely deadly when bred and raised as they are being in the UK now on mass.

This. I 100% agree.

Thesharkradar · 23/04/2023 23:23

Pixiedust1234 · 23/04/2023 23:22

The part about the dog being very distressed so was put down was mentioned in earlier reports. They gave the vague impression that it had to be put down so the emergency workers could treat the injured man. The news sources have since amended/updated their articles.

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sounds like the animal was guarding it's prey/kill and they had to destroy it to try & save the victim?

RandomSunday · 23/04/2023 23:24

FearTheWankingDead · 23/04/2023 23:22

This. I 100% agree.

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Me too

Pixiedust1234 · 23/04/2023 23:26

That was the impression they gave at the time but I guess everything was hectic at the time and now more reliable facts are being published.

Either way, a man and a dog have lost their lives. RIP both.

Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 23:29

sounds like the animal was guarding it's prey/kill and they had to destroy it to try & save the victim?

They aren't tigers. The dog was probably lashing out as part of a survival response. I am assuming multiple police, probably a dog handler waving a pole at it. Unable to get to victim without risk of dog bite, unable to bring dog under control. If the dog had already critically injured one person and was too much of a risk to catch then they took a course of action based on public safety.

StraightOuttaContext · 23/04/2023 23:38

@StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar we do restrict who can drive. There are tests, licences, laws, consequences. They don't stop all injuries or fatalities of course, but it's not nothing.

DanceMonster · 23/04/2023 23:38

PercyMcPigface · 23/04/2023 23:10

Christ, don't let facts get in the way of anything!

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🤷🏻‍♀️ I was just mentioning what was being said across all the local Facebook sites. The earlier reports coming from the local police were that the dog was destroyed as it was in distress. The facts haven’t actually been reported yet but it does look now like the dog was to blame. Either way, it’s a very sad situation for all involved.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 24/04/2023 00:02

moonspiral · 23/04/2023 22:04

Not sure why it matters what breed it is? It was a scum dog. Probably badly trained and badly treated.

“Scum dog” @moonspiral - whatever has happened it was the owners fault, not the dog’s so no need to be offensive.

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