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Sunday 23rd April and yet another fatal dog attack

108 replies

CrossBun · 23/04/2023 12:14

“Man dies after being mauled by 'out of control' dog in Derby as armed police shoot animal dead and another man is arrested”.

Does anyone else think Iit seems like the police or whoever are getting more and more reluctant to share the breed of dogs in these tragic incidents?

I understand that any dog can cause injury but with these fatalities surely they should be sharing more information?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12004149/Man-dies-mauled-control-dog-Derby.html

Man dies after being mauled by 'out of control' dog in Derby

The man died after sustaining 'serious injuries' when he was attacked by the dog at a house in Normanton, Derby, yesterday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12004149/Man-dies-mauled-control-dog-Derby.html

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Idratherbepaddleboarding · 23/04/2023 21:02

Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 17:55

Defra are doing various inquiries in to dog related stuff but it always takes a very long time.

Foreign rescues need to stop being imported. Defra are currently looking in to the impact of overseas rescuing.
Dog training and behaviour needs regulating (for professionals).
Dog licensing needs to come back with mandatory training.
Councils need more dog wardens in public spaces.
More private fields need to be available for hire for off lead use, as lead laws, where they exist, need enforcing. Local councils can open these.

Banning breeds doesn't work.

I agree with foreign rescues. There’s an elderly couple (so maybe bit as strong as they used to be) who walk a foreign rescue bully type breed every lunch and tea time in our local park. She has to walk it practically hiding in the bushes so it can’t see any other dogs and he has to patrol the area about 50m in front asking people with dogs and children to keep out of their way. He asked a group of teenagers the other day to go inside the fenced off children’s play areas while they walked past in case it attacked them. That can’t be fun for them and it’s certainly not safe especially when they walk it at peak times for children to be playing and dogs to be walking. You have to have your dogs on leads in this park anyway but my heart sinks when we see it (I don’t go in the park very often as our dog has good recall and prefers to be off lead so we only go there when it’s really wet on the fields and I forget they’re probably there).

I would also love a fenced off dog area and there’s loads of room for one but TBH I wouldn’t let my dog in there with a bully breed, we walked past one on the prom recently and it was snarling away at my dog not just growling or barking, it was horrible!

Throwncrumbs · 23/04/2023 21:04

ANiceBigCupOfTea · 23/04/2023 17:43

Huskies are not at all aggressive. If they are, its due to serious abuse or something to that effect. It is NOT a breed characteristic in the slightest.

Can you not see the irony in your statement?

Jonei · 23/04/2023 21:05

GoodChat · 23/04/2023 19:30

Genuine, but probably completely naive, question here: how similar is veterinary medicine to human medicine?

Maybe we ban the sale of domestic animals and fully fund for vets and veterinary nurses to retrain to human medicine and kill two birds with one stone?

Do the vets and vet nurses get a choice in this?

Because I would think, if they've chosen these careers, it will be because they want a career working with animals. And not people.

DidyouNO · 23/04/2023 21:20

CrossBun · 23/04/2023 18:12

Sorry I don’t mean that to sound harsh, I’m not a Husky expert!

Just that they were bred to pull sledges, need at least 2 hours exercise a day, can generally never be let off the lead as there’s too high a risk they won’t come back and they can have a very high prey drive. Some argue they are only really happy when they can do hours of sled pulling or running. So they are challenging in many ways.

TBF husky's are in the top five most dangerous dogs in America.

HappiestSleeping · 23/04/2023 21:24

CybermanAshad · 23/04/2023 18:49

100% this. If your dog kills someone you should be charged for man slaughter. Your dog, your responsibility, your fault.

Exactly. It would discourage the perpetrators a lot more than making them put their dogs on a lead.

GoodChat · 23/04/2023 21:54

@Jonei well yeah but they'd have to go into more exotic animals like zoos etc.

People have to change careers because of law changes. It'd help the NHS issue short term 🤷‍♀️

OrangeKettle · 23/04/2023 22:02

oh seriously, GoodChat.

Its like having a conversation with my 8 year old.

Inane responses like yours are just ridiculous.

BlueThursday · 23/04/2023 22:03

I think it can take time to determine certain breeds and to work out if they are a banned breed.

even without an attack a dog can be put onto “death row” while it’s decided what its breed is

moonspiral · 23/04/2023 22:04

Not sure why it matters what breed it is? It was a scum dog. Probably badly trained and badly treated.

StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar · 23/04/2023 22:04

I don't understand why there's never talk of banning cars given that they kill over 1500 people a year. Or at least severely restricting who is allowed to drive.

It seems that we're happy to overlook something if the alternative inconveniences us, even at the cost of many lives.

DanceMonster · 23/04/2023 22:05

OrangeKettle · 23/04/2023 22:02

oh seriously, GoodChat.

Its like having a conversation with my 8 year old.

Inane responses like yours are just ridiculous.

It’s hilarious isn’t it? Some people talk utter shite.

BlueThursday · 23/04/2023 22:06

moonspiral · 23/04/2023 22:04

Not sure why it matters what breed it is? It was a scum dog. Probably badly trained and badly treated.

the offence is greater if the dog is a banned breed

Marchintospring · 23/04/2023 22:07

Jonei · 23/04/2023 21:05

Do the vets and vet nurses get a choice in this?

Because I would think, if they've chosen these careers, it will be because they want a career working with animals. And not people.

Vets can treat humans but doctors aren’t technically allowed to treat animals.

AlwaysGinPlease · 23/04/2023 22:07

@GoodChat you really need to change your username. False advertising.

One of the single most ridiculous things I have ever read on MN and that's saying something.

moonspiral · 23/04/2023 22:07

BlueThursday · 23/04/2023 22:06

the offence is greater if the dog is a banned breed

That makes sense.

RandomSunday · 23/04/2023 22:10

A big black dog means nothing!

We all know what breed dog it’s likely to be and that the owner should be put down

LexMitior · 23/04/2023 22:12

The breed is irrelevant- it's the owner who will be some knuckle dragging ingrate who can't train a dog and has to have something that terrifies others.

cantelouper · 23/04/2023 22:12

Standard French Poodles can be big.

RandomSunday · 23/04/2023 22:25

cantelouper · 23/04/2023 22:12

Standard French Poodles can be big.

Well yeah. But we all know it’s not going to be a standard poodle or black Labrador that killed a person don’t we? 🤷🏻‍♀️

cantelouper · 23/04/2023 22:31

Just pointing out that a 'big black dog' is useless as a description.
In my experience Standard poodles have not been 'messed about with' as a breed.
They can still breathe properly. Still have their native sense/instincts.
It is my regret that I have never seen them working cattle.

Domino20 · 23/04/2023 22:37

PassTheDuckie · 23/04/2023 16:23

i bet it was a bully breed, or a Rottweiler, husky, Alsatian.

Definitely not a chihuahua or Jack Russell.

The list of fatalities caused by dog attacks in UK has 3 times more Jack Russells on it than Huskies.

Kitanai · 23/04/2023 22:48

The idiots dog of choice used to be the staffy because they thought they looked ‘hard’. Staffordshire bullterriers we’re purposely bred to not be aggressive to humans though, any who showed the slightest hint of aggression (to a handler, animal v animal aggression was encouraged) were killed and not allowed to breed.

So despite the huge amount of staffs owned by thick twats the previous decades, and despite of the complete lack of training and mistreatment of the dogs, the amount of times the dogs actually snapped was relatively low.

Now the dog of choice for the twats is the ‘xl bully’. Which are actually, at least according to the dna tests I’ve seen done on a number of them, largely American pitbull with usually a smaller mix of Rottweiler, American bulldog and Cano corso.

Those dogs are fiercely intelligent, need a phenomenal amount of training and hard work to be happy. Their breeding also largely focused on them being used as guard dog, so human aggression was not bred out of them. Stick one of those in a terraced council house with no training/abuse and it’s just a matter of time until a body bag is needed.

The travellers that are breeding them aren’t exactly breeding for good temperament. The goal is to make them bigger, and meaner. The cast offs are sold as puppies and adults in places like gumtree, usually as xl bullies or ‘staffy crosses’ to hapless (or feckless) families.

These pitbulls are the very definition of ‘fuck around and find out’. And they are absolutely deadly when bred and raised as they are being in the UK now on mass.

Kitanai · 23/04/2023 22:50

Domino20 · 23/04/2023 22:37

The list of fatalities caused by dog attacks in UK has 3 times more Jack Russells on it than Huskies.

Jack Russells are ratters, they should never be within reach of a newborn baby. But that’s the same for most dogs.

I have yet to hear of a grown man ripped to pieces by a Jack Russell though.

Cheapcookies · 23/04/2023 22:50

Well yeah. But we all know it’s not going to be a standard poodle or black Labrador that killed a person don’t we?

I work with dogs as an aggression specialist and labradors are one of the breeds I have referred to me most frequently. The top 5 breeds I see are all the dogs that people wouldn't bat an eyelid at in the street.

LuvSmallDogs · 23/04/2023 22:52

cantelouper · 23/04/2023 22:31

Just pointing out that a 'big black dog' is useless as a description.
In my experience Standard poodles have not been 'messed about with' as a breed.
They can still breathe properly. Still have their native sense/instincts.
It is my regret that I have never seen them working cattle.

I thought they were originally water retrievers? The miniature poodle I grew up with certainly had a hell of a prey drive anyway!

He was a young ex-crufts show dog the breeder had decided against breeding, came with the stereotypical big and puffy clip with topknot which soon got buzzed off so he could enjoy brambly, branchy cliff walks without getting stuck. He was rabbiting like mad within days!

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