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Calling yourself a creative professional if you don't make any money from it

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SwanPools · 18/04/2023 17:20

Through my work (hence NCed for this) I come across a number of people who will say they are in a creative profession, but who don't actually earn any money from it (or extremely little, say a few hundred a year). They are unpublished writers, artists who virtually never sell anything, musicians who put tracks online that no-one really listens to and actors who only do unpaid roles.

They do however invest a lot of time in their chosen activity and don't have another job. All are financially supported by their partners. They don't have young children or clean their own houses (this may be where I come in...) so couldn't be described as SAHPs or even housewives/husbands (as to me that implies looking after the home most of the time, not hiring a cleaner). They aren't retirement age either.

Should they be saying they are an xyz if they don't financially support themselves with it, or is that a money centric view and if it's how they spend their time then they are an xyz? At what point do they earn enough money from it to say they are one? Is earning any money OK or does it have to be at least min wage (for example)?

I don't have a horse in this race, I don't think I would say I was an xyz unless I made money from it but I also don't like that we define people so much by how they get their money.

IANBU = they shouldn't say they are an artist/writer/musician etc unless they make money from it
IABU = it's how you spend your time that matters, even if you earn nothing from it

OP posts:
Guillebeaux · 20/04/2023 20:58

‘I’m a writer - I don’t cook and I don’t clean.’
Dorothy West.

Youcunnyfunt · 20/04/2023 22:42

thing47 · 20/04/2023 18:26

I also know a lot of people who have a normal day-to-day job, but when asked they will say they are an artists even if it earns them less money than their other job, because one is tied to their passion / identity and other is just a random source of income they have

It's funny how it's only ever that way round though, isn't it? You don't hear many stories about someone who earns their living playing in an orchestra, say, who does the books for a couple of local businesses saying 'I'm an accountant at heart, that's what I really love. The music's just something I do to pay the bills.'

A portion of my income is from modelling and I have been known to surprise photographers when I tell them my heart is in my day job, not modelling 😁😂it’s just for a bit of fun and extra cash!

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 21/04/2023 07:35

True writers write because they have to. Those are the people I call writers. The hobbyists are the ones who read an article somewhere that said writing was a quick, easy way of making money, and that romance is formulaic and 'easy', so they are squeezing in the writing of a 'romance novel' between Netflix episodes.

thing47 · 21/04/2023 12:31

A portion of my income is from modelling and I have been known to surprise photographers when I tell them my heart is in my day job, not modelling 😁😂it’s just for a bit of fun and extra cash!

😂I love this @Youcunnyfunt! I hope you are dining out on this story, you definitely should be!

pinkyredrose · 24/04/2023 11:14

Schoolplacechoicemyth · 18/04/2023 18:08

I do agree with some pp that the creative industry is poorly paid and sometimes people work for very little as a way in but never...get in. Music is a big one for this.

This is called being unsuccessful. Being a failure would be another description.

Why is it ok to spend years trying desperately (and failing) as say, a musician, when if you do the pissed away years trying to be a builder or lawyer or accountant people would think you are at best deluded and at worst a waster.

It's nothing to do with being a failure!

People spend years honing thier craft for no money , they're just on the pathway, they're not 'unsuccessful'.

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