Is Rishi Sunak utterly thick?

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Today he actually went ahead and announced his plans for everyone studying maths till 18.

And all everyone commenting on this on the news or social media has been saying today is "but this is mad because there aren't enough maths teachers to teach the qualifications we already have".

And teachers including maths teachers, are going on strike again next week because the government refuses to pay them properly. The government also failed to meet its maths teacher trainee recruitment target last year and will again this year.

This announcement just gives everyone the wonderful opportunity to point these governmental failings again and again.

Why the fuck would anyone with any political sense announce a policy that cannot happen and gives everyone the opportunity to point out that it can't happen because the government are shit?

Just why?

I could watch those by Oxford university on how to improve my debating skills, an excellent perspective.

Did they at any point suggest that it is a good idea to base ones arguments on evidence and facts?

Yes he is.

Depends on the perspectives your using for your cause as to which facts or interpretation that is used.

But then you would also look at how the experts came to their conclusions first before using the information

Whilst the UK is a bit of an outlier on Maths teaching not continuing after 16, we simply don't have a enough Maths teachers to be similar, basically because anyone who is good at maths, with the relevant qualifications, can earn far far more elsewhere & have decent working conditions too.

The pass rate for those that fail GCSE maths at 16 and have to take compulsory lessons/exams is approx 20%, shockingly low, the idea that people who cannot or don't want to learn Maths are suddenly going to self learn via Youtube is ridiculous.

If we want to continue learning beyond 16, it will have to be done in other ways than formal qualifications.

The other thing is that in international comparisons, the UK is doing ok on numeracy for school leavers, its adult maths thats v poor.

Oh God, they’ll just be given more Sparkx won’t they. Way to turn people off maths for life!

Or did the suggest basing ones arguments on thin air?

Utterly thick.

Well there is a bill the government knows is unlawful in parliament today called the Illegal Migration Bill. No matter what one thinks of it the name of it is kind of thick.

Of course Sunak wants us to use technology. It's what his wife's family made their fortune from.

Boom tish 😃

But there are loads in the middle that pass gcse maths but don't take it for A level. Where will the extra teachers come from for them?

Yes..."Adults should all be able to do maths" says PM who tried to pay for petrol with a barcode scanner...yes he is thick

But Howpo, the GCSEs are on meant to be on a bell curve, so there will always be a certain percentage who fail. I do think there should be other literacy and numeracy qualifications that should be achievable by most.
The only people this policy might benefit are those who got an average pass and are late developers in maths, but they could take the core maths already.

There is nothing revolutionary about this policy. All courses do already have maths embedded if not that's easy.to do.
Kids already have to get a 4 by 18.
Think its not a bad idea it is a crucial skill to learn. He certainly hasn't come up with it.

If it was a serious policy then I would expect that there would be details about how it was going to be implementated. For example a plan to recruit and retain sufficient teachers, but currently the government's only plan seems to be to alienate teachers further by not paying them a fair wage.

Tell me how maths is embedded into A Level Literature and-if not- how it is 'easy to do'?

Please don't inflict that on me!

Do yo remember when they had the idea that there would be SPAG marks and some kind of literacy component in every A level? Rapidly dropped before it was actually brought in!

Given that the amount of maths in A-level Physics and Chemistry has been reduced over time, because otherwise it would be too hard...

I do think there should be other literacy and numeracy qualifications that should be achievable by most.

There are Functional Skills qualifications in English, Maths and ICT which should be available to all but are currently limited to those following vocational courses such as apprenticeships (unless this has changed during the last couple of years).
For many of my learners in FE following such courses these were the first qualifications they had ever gained. The difference it made to their competence, confidence and self esteem was wonderful to see. Having said that, they weren’t a walkover. People had to work hard to achieve, but they could see the relevance of the qualification in relation to their lives and jobs and enjoyed the real life problem solving.
Endless, pointless GCSE resits just depress people and erode their confidence.

Emotional Illiterate of highest order
Criminally so
He should be locked up
Incarcerated with no heat no food and no water until he begs for it
He should also pay for his own time in jail - tax payers should
NOT pay for it
He has decimated the UK and broken every last fabric of society here
Every single person wants to leave has left or wishes for nothing more than to get out of the UK
Even the younger generations leaving uni loathe this tragic wasteland of a formerly working society

I don’t think that trying to get someone to pass a maths GCSE in its current form for a further 2 years is going to work
I do think we should teach pupils things like how to work out interest rates and look at credit cards, loans and mortgages etc How to work out how much flooring you need to buy to cover a living room floor, and or how to design a kitchen etc and keep within budget
Linking practical uses with maths.
These things might be covered in the GCSE syllabus but it isn’t exactly made obvious and pupils just don’t understand why they are learning random equations

I think most pupils have no idea what they want to do
DH’s school had a company come in to test and interview each pupil in a particular year over the course of a week from those many multiple choice questionnaires and interviews they determined which career path each pupil should take
Dh remembers one boy who got told to pursue something that had him and his family laughing when when they read what career he should pursue. His fellow classmates were in stitches laughing

Fast forward to a few years ago and up pops this same guy in the media who is now the top person in the country in this particular field.

Unfortunately DH’s parents didn’t like the career choice the company had chosen for him and instead made up their own career for him to pursue. It created so much unhappiness in dh’s life as he watched his friends all find success and happiness in their lives and careers and he struggled. I found the letter in a bundle of stuff his mother sent to dh when they were down sizing

I feel if we were to spend money it should be in trying to engage pupils early on and giving them a proper outline of where their strengths lie and what career they should be successful in and give them a plan to work towards

Rather than trying to get a 17 year old who could be married/pregnant/homeless/ working in a below minimum wage job because their step dad has gambled away all the benefit money and their mother has hit the bottle to take away reality and they need to buy nappies and formula for their baby brother and Rishi is expecting them to turn up to a maths lesson

I suppose it shows a willingness to admit that nobody in Government is able to explain why HS2 is so massively over budget that they have had to cancel it, nor admit that they were unable to take all the contractors to task over their flagrant mismanagement of their quotes. They are hoping that the next generation will fix all the holes in their own horrendous calculations!